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I've always been at that pointOriginally Posted by Vindec
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I'm in but based on nothing more than 'better the devil you know' and possibly because I work in France so my situation may well change.
The problem for me is that no one can actually say what would happen if we left. My hope is that this campaign will lead to the government's of Europe realise that the current situation demands that there is a major overhaul of what is generally a very good idea that has become a bloated and self serving bureaucracy.
I've always been at that point
I go along with your viewpoint-as you say -there has been no attempt to say what the future holds if we leave.Not convinced the rest of the world will be knocking at our door to become trading partners!!!
Two posts that sum up my feelings on the EU situation
It's impossible to say what the future holds if we leave in the same way that it is impossible to say what will happen if we vote remain. If we remain the EU will continue to integrate but how far this will go is pure speculation. If smaller countries than the UK can prosper on their own why can't we?
this is the bit that i dont get
say a company in Germany buy s specific item of us for something they make, surely if we leave they will still need the same item ? ? ? thus still buy the said item ?? ?
I might have missed the reasoning behind the trade deals though
No you haven't !
The only thing you missed is some far barsteward behind a desk doing frigg all, besides smoking a fat cigar, won't get his cut. (laughing smiley)
Anything sold by the UK and imported into the EU MAY be subject to a tariff of up to 10% making the product more expensive and theoretically uncompetitive meaning the German (or any EU buyer) company could buy their goods elsewhere. However, the falling pound will more than compensate for any tariff if one is imposed.
Of course the question of tariffs will be subject to separate negotiation if we leave and a country such as Iceland has a tariff free deal with no strings. Given that we import more from Europe than we export, if the EU introduced tariffs we would probably do likewise in respect of EU imports meaning it would be in the EU's interest to give us a tariff free deal.
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On a previous post you told us it's impossible to predict the future but in the next you've told us that sterling is going to lose it's value. I expect that is true in the immediate aftermath of an exit but no guarantee for longer term.
That's a fair point but sterling is already falling against the euro and has done so for the past year trading between 1.44 in March 2015 to 1.29 in March 2016. But as I said previously it is impossible to say what will happen irrespective of whether we decide to remain or leave.
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What countries would they be?
The prospect of an in out referendum with polls indicating the very real possibility of a Brexit has crashed sterling. Actually leaving will send it into free-fall. There are far more risks and uncertainties associated with leaving than there are remaining in the EU. Ludicrous that anyone could suggest otherwise.
As has been said its impossible to know what will happen if we stay. In my view a vote to stay in a is a vote for the United states of europe, that is where I see the EU going if we vote in. The only way the Euro will work is europe becoming one state and we would be forced to join that. Now whether that is good or not I dont know.
The price of that item will increase as duty will have to be paid, so relocating manufacturing or finding a new supplier could be an option. Potentially losing the trade.
But the Euro does work for Northern European countries, the lack of appetite for reform among the Med nations isn't a failure of the single currency, it's a failure of individual nation state economic policy.
That's a very good point-Greece being the prime example.It's a difficult one but again if we vote to stay in the run on the pound will be reversed overnight.Then comes the arguement a strong pound isn't necessarily good for trade!!!!I'm sticking with in but it is a hugely difficult decision because of the unknown.
That would be a step closer to a one world government, I thought you'd be up for that?
I don't know about that but the Germans must be thrilled to gain control of Europe without a single shot being fired. (Where's the smiley?)That would be a step closer to a one world government, I thought you'd be up for that?
Makes perfect sense. Imagine the savings that could be made on the bureaucracy.That would be a step closer to a one world government, I thought you'd be up for that?
If a one world government is going to happen one day, I'd probably rather it had European values at its core, rather than American or Chinese
Yeah you say that now...
Nigel Farage has accused the Office for National Statistics of covering up immigration levels amid a row over the number of National Insurance (NI) numbers granted.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a6897206.html
Remember this story in the coming months.
The one world government doesn't really seem to have thought this all through. Offering the people of the UK the chance to break away from a form of government seems to be a backwards step if that is the plan. Additionally the people we are often told are in on it who own the media seem to also want us out.
Nigel Farage has accused the Office for National Statistics of covering up immigration levels amid a row over the number of National Insurance (NI) numbers granted.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a6897206.html
Remember this story in the coming months.
This NWO thing needs a new strategist this current one is dreadful. :D
Of course they have to give us a choice, it would look dodgy if they didn't. ;)
They didn't really have to give us a choice about saying in the EU.
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