the rise of ukip

[surge]

As abhorrent as it is to yourself and others,
what have the other lot done for, in your words, for the Jeremy Kyle fan club ?
perhaps the Jeremy Kyle fan club have voted for UKIP on other issues other than your perception, I haven't seen the interview.
I'm glad I live in a society where everyone is entitled to vote. Do you think that individuals should be denied a right to vote because they voted for UKIP ?, I am presuming that your post is based on the racism issue?, apologies if I have misinterpreted, I actually thought that racism was outlawed in the U.K and thus if UKIP were deemed to be a racist party then they would be outlawed, but just like about any law in this country, it's murky and clouded and can be read however you want to read it, surely the best way to deal with UKIP is for the so called main stream parties to get their own acts together, then these fringe based parties will dissapear, I also despair, but my despair is from the, having put up with the two party cartel for 55 years watching the rich get richer whilst the the Jeremy Kyle fan club has been swept into the gutter, the despair has driven me to PC!!!!!!.

Can UKIP voters name me the policies they voted for or was it just a case of getting rid of Labour? That latter reason is not good enough and I would be interested in fact-checking the policies UKIP voters went for.

[Vimana.]

Watching Wales today interviewing our new AM Neil Hamilton and His wife. Jesus Christ!

Roving reporter seems to have bumped into the Jeremy Kyle fan club on the streets of Torfaen
"Yuh, I voted UKIP cos the other lot don't do nothing for us"
"We need to worry about the people we've got not let more in"

I despair

I fear that UKIP will quite feasibly appeal to many traditional Labour pockets in Wales, possibly areas where long-standing Labour maybe wasn't really chosen for it's policies, but possibly because they were the 'opposite and opposition' to the reviled Tories .

Now there is a Party that could appeal to those who are suspicious of anything and everything that exists further away than the bottom of their road, and areas inhabited by self-proclaimed 'salt-of-the-earth', but which actually feel rather small minded and xenophobic in actuality.

Very well done to Leanne Wood in the Rhondda mind.

[Heathblue]

Can UKIP voters name me the policies they voted for or was it just a case of getting rid of Labour? That latter reason is not good enough and I would be interested in fact-checking the policies UKIP voters went for.

Rather than be argumentative for the sake of it, I reckon you are 100% correct in that ukip voters just wanted Labour out, however regarding policy, I wonder how many Labour voters knew what they were voting on, you know the saying in Wales, put a red ribbon around a turd and it'll get a resounding victory. I wonder how many voters go to the poll voting on policy ?

[surge]

Rather than be argumentative for the sake of it, I reckon you are 100% correct in that ukip voters just wanted Labour out, however regarding policy, I wonder how many Labour voters knew what they were voting on, you know the saying in Wales, put a red ribbon around a turd and it'll get a resounding victory. I wonder how many voters go to the poll voting on policy ?

Voting for Labour because you always have isn't good enough, voting for "radical change" but not caring whether that has anything to offer Wales is not good enough.

Voting for a Mark Reckless who was too busy drinking to do his job is pathetic.

[Bluebird since 1948]

NinianClark is spot on. The Senedd badly needed UKIP to inject some spice into the debate but people won't be happy unless it's full to the brim of leftie luvvies like Charlotte Church.

[Pearcey3]

NinianClark is spot on. The Senedd badly needed UKIP to inject some spice into the debate but people won't be happy unless it's full to the brim of leftie luvvies like Charlotte Church.

Do you seriously think the likes of Neil Hamilton and Mark Reckless give a toss about Welsh people? Seriously?

[Eric the Half a Bee]

FPTP works well for 2 party politics. Fortunately we've grown up and it's a thing of the past. If we took the 40 FPTP seats and allocated proportionally we'd have had: Labour 14, Cons 8.5 PC 8.5, UKIP 5, LD 3, Greens 1. much more representative parliament rather than a party getting half the seats with 33% of the vote

We agree on something!!!

[Elysium]

By the time the next Welsh Assembly comes around you will have had 21 YEARS of Labour - dont even you think we need a change ? , Welsh Labour dont a toss about Welsh people as they know full well they can do what they want - feck as many things up as they want and they will STILL be voted back in.

Reckless has a brain , not sure about Hamilton. Edwina Hutt and Jane Hart are 2 of the most dullest people I have ever seen in Welsh politics - and the list for that accolade is a quite long.

Just like people on here say they despise ukip voters (I was not one of those voters) - I despair of the welsh voting electorate , what was it a 43% turn out and they all , like sheep vote Labour because they always have done.

I think that you will find the truth is not usually appreciated in these parts.

[Vimana.]

Do you seriously think the likes of [insert name of almost any politician] give a toss about [ ] people? Seriously?

FYP ?

[surge]

I had maybe 8 choices on my ballot paper so wanting to oust Labour (or elements of the Labour party) is not a good enough reason to vote for UKIP.

Give me a dull politician who cares and has a plan to deal with the issues over someone who is different and "not boring" any day.

Some may be sheep (like some may be racist) but that doesn't mean Labour have nothing to offer Wales nor that they may offer less than anyone else. That's your decision but voting UKIP should be done on believing they offer more than the others and yet no one has mentioned a policy, it's always been about being "not Labour " or "not dull".

[Eric the Half a Bee]

I think that you will find the truth is not usually appreciated in these parts.

If you ever discover truth you might be appreciated.

[Elysium]

If you ever discover truth you might be appreciated.

The same applies to you, Eric.

[Eric Cartman]

Rather than be argumentative for the sake of it, I reckon you are 100% correct in that ukip voters just wanted Labour out, however regarding policy, I wonder how many Labour voters knew what they were voting on, you know the saying in Wales, put a red ribbon around a turd and it'll get a resounding victory. I wonder how many voters go to the poll voting on policy ?

Well this is clearly the problem with politics in the UK in general. To provide a little bit of balance. I live in England, my MP is MArk Prisk. I would prefer if his party were nowhere near government but he's always seemed like a decent guy to me (helped my family with a couple of things). Down the road is Grant Shapps territory. He is incapable, thick as shit, happy to **** anyone over for a few pence and a complete ****. Yet, because he is Tory candidate, he wins his seat by a country mile.

[jon1959]

I think that you will find the truth is not usually appreciated in these parts.

If you ever discover truth you might be appreciated.

Why did you have to bring up that betting slip again? It's just cruel!

[Elysium]

Why did you have to bring up that betting slip again? It's just cruel!

Jon, I'd appreciate a response to the other post rather than just pathetic, childish diversion.

[Elysium]

Jon, I'd appreciate a response to the other post rather than just pathetic, childish diversion.

Jon?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

I think it's checking great that despite all the doom and gloom at least alun cairns lovechild Ross England failed to beat labour by a few hundred votes ......and as for that bloke from torfaen munching on a Gregg's sausage roll blaming labour for his failed life , you couldn't make it up

I like corbyn but the disaster of losing so many seats to the SNP and all the Tory lies on balancing the books means socialists need to look elsewhere

This country is burnt out and the Tories are doing a great job of ****ing anyone but themselves

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Jon?

Croesy ?

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Jon, I'd appreciate a response to the other post rather than just pathetic, childish diversion.

You'd appreciate it if someone doesn't do what you do then?

[Elysium]

Croesy ?

I'm just awaiting a response from Jon, sludge. Calm down.

[Elysium]

You'd appreciate it if someone doesn't do what you do then?

No I'd just appreciate a response from Jon, that's all.

Mate.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

I'm just awaiting a response from Jon, sludge. Calm down.

He would tie you up in knots , he's probably having a cuppa

[Elysium]

Well that's because it's not the truth , basically

**** all you right wing clowns , your time in the shit storm will come

Care to explain?

[Eric the Half a Bee]

No I'd just appreciate a response from Jon, that's all.

Mate.

Any reason for being in such provocative mood ce soir? Maid ran off with the cooking sherry again?

[Eric the Half a Bee]

He would tie you up in knots , he's probably having a cuppa

Probably a million better things to do than waste time arguing with Elysium/Croesy.