the rise of ukip

[Rogersblue]

i think by the time the next election comes along, nationalism will be rife in many parts of the country , the immigration problem will not go away, and as been out of control for many years now.

[goslow]

The tears of fauxcialist dummy throwers always puts a smile on my face

[surge]

light the touchpaper and stand back eh.

its no coincidence that votes for ukip have gone through the roof, when you look at the state of the two main parties in britain who could not run a bath between them

ukip are certainly under represented in parliament, and by the time the next general election comes along , they will be ukip mp,s crashing through the westminster doors in droves.

many people have had enough of the two tier system in this country, which basically changes absolutely nothing, they just cancel each other out every 4 or 5 years.

Nothing of what you've said here demands UKIP. It does demand voting reform; greater transparency about who is lobbying behind closed door - doubly so considering scientists and charities are/have been threatened; party funding review (across all parties rather than just your main opposition); fewer condescending events like "clean for the Queen" and more events to encourage/make it easier for people from all walks of life to get engaged beyond voting for what they did last time or who employs dead cat strategies.

The feelings behind voting for UKIP aren't necessarily wrong (and are rarely racial) but UKIP don't necessarily offer anything politically for those voting for them.

[jon1959]

Jon, I'd appreciate a response to the other post rather than just pathetic, childish diversion.

Jon?

Croesy ?

I'm just awaiting a response from Jon, sludge. Calm down.

No I'd just appreciate a response from Jon, that's all.

Mate.

He would tie you up in knots , he's probably having a cuppa

Yes, what did you want Croesy? Something about another post of yours? Which one?

I was away having a cuppa, watching the London Mayor result and then a good sleep.

[Eric Cartman]

On 1 Feb 2012:
Mark Reckless voted against those who have been ill or disabled since their youth recieving Employment and Support Allowance on the same basis as if they had made sufficient National Insurance contributions to qualify for a contribution based allowance.

On 1 Feb 2012:
Mark Reckless voted not to make an exception for those with a cancer diagnosis or undergoing cancer treatment from the 365 day limit on receiving contribution based Employment and Support Allowance.

On 9 Mar 2011:
Mark Reckless voted to introduce Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payments and to restrict housing benefit for those in social housing deemed to have excess bedrooms.

30k a year private schooling and on to Oxford to study PPE. The well trodden route for people who clamour to represent the people but have absolutely no idea what real life is like.

[tommy31]

Suppose there are 5 issues of concern to me (immigration, the NHS, sovereignty etc) for which I have pro- and anti- stances. There are 2 to the power 5 combinations = 32. Thus there would need to be 32 different options to reflect everyone's position accurately in an election. How many seats had 32 candidates? ...

I give you your new AM "Mr Spoiled Ballot". My point stands - UKIP are over-represented.

Key point being 'best represents'. Nobody is going to agree with everything a party says, but you can choose then that you agree most with.

UKIP had 14% of the vote (roughly) and returned 7AMs. If anything, they're under-represented

[jon1959]

Croesy?

[goslow]

I thought people like that were scum? or is that just the English?

I thought you knew the ccmb rules

PC = Owain Glyndwr
SNP = William Wallace
UKIP = ex labour minister Oswald Mosley

[Mrs Steve R]

I thought you knew the ccmb rules

PC = Owain Glyndwr
SNP = William Wallace
UKIP = ex labour minister Oswald Mosley

I had a feeling you would be the only person to answer this, as the saying goes "Hypocrisy is a fickle friend indeed"

[Heathblue]

Ok. But yes, you're right.

UKIP are the politics of fear.

This is what's wrong with your life.
This is how it's going to get worse.
These are who are to blame.

I'm a good bloke who likes a pint just like you and I'm the one who's going to sort it all out, please vote for me.

Just calll me Dave

[goslow]

I had a feeling you would be the only person to answer this, as the saying goes "Hypocrisy is a fickle friend indeed"

Everyone's a hypocrite but good luck finding someone who'll admit it

[lardy]

Croesy?

[surge]

To ANYONE on here who is moaning about a FREE election vote result.

An election was declared, parties debated, the people of Wales all had a chance to vote and the ones that did meant we had a RESULT.

That is DEMOCRACY, some like the results some dont like the results - eitherway - a decision has been made by the people of WALES.

So
1. Now please shut the FECK up about the result
2. If YOU dont like the fair and honest result of that vote - next time get involved and campaign for the politics of the party you support.

Nothing more needs to be said about it

Politics doesn't happen once every so often when you get to vote and rebel against those who haven't done anything for your area. If UKIP voters are even slightly angry about faceless people telling them what to do or taking their place in the queue then lets have a conversation about policy (still no one has mentioned a UKIP policy they feel will do wonders for Wales) and stop that faceless/left-behind feeling.

[Harry Monk]

UKIP have actually said on one of their websites that "the Welsh are not a people". Any Welsh person who votes for them clearly feels they are nothing but a serf in the greater colonial kingdom of England.

Well done dick heads.

[tommy31]

"lets have a conversation about policy" - what the feck good will that do anyone, it's obvious none of the other parties listen - and after 17 (soon to be 21 years) of a Labour Govt in Wales , you seem to think - well lets have a conversation - and talk about it - wow.

Labour must love people like you.

It matters not now though, as I said - there has been a debate, an election held and a result achieved - move on.

I thought this was a forum for discussing opinions.. You seem to be against the idea of discussion, why's that?

[ken smith]

UKIP have actually said on one of their websites that "the Welsh are not a people". Any Welsh person who votes for them clearly feels they are nothing but a serf in the greater colonial kingdom of England.

Well done dick heads.

As someone who classes themselves as welsh (in a fairly minor sense), but could also qualify for England, Denmark and Ireland in football sense who should I vote for?

Not really interested in what happens to some ****ing bumpkins from Powys or Anglesey so why would I care about voting for a party who looks after them?

(I didn't vote ukip either by the way)

[tommy31]

As someone who classes themselves as welsh (in a fairly minor sense), but could also qualify for England, Denmark and Ireland in football sense who should I vote for?

Not really interested in what happens to some ****ing bumpkins from Powys or Anglesey so why would I care about voting for a party who looks after them?

(I didn't vote ukip either by the way)

Only looking after yourself rather than people from elsewhere? tories right up your street mate

[City123]

As someone who classes themselves as welsh (in a fairly minor sense), but could also qualify for England, Denmark and Ireland in football sense who should I vote for?

Not really interested in what happens to some ****ing bumpkins from Powys or Anglesey so why would I care about voting for a party who looks after them?

(I didn't vote ukip either by the way)

Conservatives.

[Eric Cartman]

"lets have a conversation about policy" - what the feck good will that do anyone, it's obvious none of the other parties listen - and after 17 (soon to be 21 years) of a Labour Govt in Wales , you seem to think - well lets have a conversation - and talk about it - wow.

Labour must love people like you.

It matters not now though, as I said - there has been a debate, an election held and a result achieved - move on.

You seem really good at telling people what to do but then doing the opposite yourself. Have you thought of a career in politics?

[ken smith]

Only looking after yourself rather than people from elsewhere? tories right up your street mate

From the post I replied to, elsewhere doesn't include England, Scotland or Northern Ireland then?

Never voted tory in my life, but I just love the attitude of people who think you must be right wing if you disagree with them. I have more interest in what happens in Barnsley, Stoke and Middlesbrough than Swansea, West Wales and gogland. Hardly tory areas are they.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

We have indeed had an election and the people decided that the labour party despite all the crap flying around , got the majority of the seats

I am fairly happy with that and over the moon the Tories failed to take their target seats

As for ukip people in the poorest areas of Wales , the upper valleys really are going to have a shock when the EU money that has helped in some ways build new roads and attract foreign investment to soften the blow of the decline of heavy industry are pissing on their own chips if they stick with ukip , who on the whole , hate the welsh

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

"lets have a conversation about policy" - what the feck good will that do anyone, it's obvious none of the other parties listen - and after 17 (soon to be 21 years) of a Labour Govt in Wales , you seem to think - well lets have a conversation - and talk about it - wow.

Labour must love people like you.

It matters not now though, as I said - there has been a debate, an election held and a result achieved - move on.

Indeed, the result being labour won the most seats

There you go , move on

[TruBlue]

UKIP have actually said on one of their websites that "the Welsh are not a people". Any Welsh person who votes for them clearly feels they are nothing but a serf in the greater colonial kingdom of England.

Well done dick heads.

They never really said that did they.

[Mrs Steve R]

They never really said that did they.

[tommy31]

From the post I replied to, elsewhere doesn't include England, Scotland or Northern Ireland then?

Never voted tory in my life, but I just love the attitude of people who think you must be right wing if you disagree with them. I have more interest in what happens in Barnsley, Stoke and Middlesbrough than Swansea, West Wales and gogland. Hardly tory areas are they.

considering you were voting in a Welsh election, no elsewhere doesn't include areas of england,scotland or northern ireland.