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I'm not going to subscribe to The Times Online to read it. What does it say?Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
It says remember Jo when you vote on Thursday.
Fair enough. I will.
The remain camp using her death to gain votes?
That's how i saw it.
Sick.
At least they are not organizing a vigil right before the vote, that would be the ultimate in bad taste..
Last edited by Wales-Bales; 18-06-16 at 15:38.
It looks like they will be holding vigils all around the world on Wednesday, the day before the vote.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...r-mp-charities
Or, on her 42nd birthday. I'm sure that is more prominent in her family's mind than the EU referendum. But then some people always "politicise" everything. Prick!
I hope they broadcast it live on TV for those who can't make it.
Last edited by Wales-Bales; 18-06-16 at 23:24.
Thought the Times were in favour of leaving the EU?
Despicable
Typical of the lefties though
Last edited by CCFC CASUAL; 18-06-16 at 13:51.
They shouldn't be saying this. The media (both sides) have been just about as bad as the politicians throughout this whole campaign
Its been a quite horrible campaign by both sides full of bluster and spite with little substance.
I am just about a remain, as it stands, mainly due to taking the view that better the devil you know.
Quite how anyone can vote out on the basis of the campaign of the Brexit brigade is puzzling as their premise is that' it will be better we promise'.
Then again, the fact that I am ( and many others it seems). not convinced by the remain argument highlights what a poor campaign it has been all round.
Take a look at the EU's record - "better the devil you know" ? Really ?
It's a non-accountable dictatorship. Do some research. EVERYONE, do some research. You will NOT be able to vote them out. You vote 'remain' and it's game over. No more democracy, laws made by un-elected, un-accountable people in Brussells.
Can you explain why you think the EU is a "non-accountable dictatorship."
It's no more or less democratic than the UK Parliament.
I have done my research and I think you're wrong. Cheers though.
Would you like to specify the particular laws that apply in our country which have been made by these unaccountable people?
Thanks.
These ‘un-elected, un-accountable people in Brussels’
There are three main EU institutions – the Parliament, which is democratically elected under a PR system every five years; the Council – made up of ministers and heads of states from each and every EU government; and the Commission – made up of 28 commissioners, one put forward by each country in the EU and who oversee just shy of 30,000 civil servants.
This compares to the 400,000 ‘bureaucrats’ employed by Whitehall, who work as the expert civil service: some on drafting laws to curb air pollution; some on dividing up EU funding to deprived regions; some on re-evaluating existing laws on VAT, and so on.
Oh yes, and then there's the House of Lords, are the Lords elected, is that democratic?
Now remind me, which is more democratic?
We have #moreincommon than apart
Nail on head Major. I saw the referendum being described as the most important decision Britain has ever taken by someone on here - a bit over the top maybe, but it does bring home just what is at stake on Thursday and it's against this backdrop that the two campaigns have to be judged.
You, like me, are in the a pretty substantial portion of the electorate who are the equivalent of floating voters or undecideds in a General Election. Then, there are the two other groups who have been committed to one side or the other for years and are never going to be persuaded to by the other side's arguments. So, like in most elections, it's a battle for the middle ground and what have either side done to educate and persuade the people who, in reality, will decide the country's future?
The leave side have had a difficult task when it comes to the economic arguments because the huge majority of reports prepared by economists, business groups, trades unions have concluded that we will be worse off financially, but their response to these has been typical of the shabby standard of debate indulged in by those charged with setting the tone and style of the campaign - they play the men/women behind the figures rather than the ball, while telling us that no one really knows what will happen if we leave. There you have it, those who are advocating us going it alone telling us that they're not sure how things we turn out, but, trust us, it will be better than if we stay in!
If anything, the remain camp's campaign has been even worse with their daily forecasts of doom and disaster on all kinds of fronts if we vote to leave - they've become truly ridiculous and, in my opinion, they've suffered self inflicted wounds in the field in which they should have been strongest. I say daily dire warnings of what's to come if we vote no mind, but the truth is there's not been as many of them lately. That's strange because about a month ago when Gideon and Dave were at the height of their daily ludicrous claims regarding the implications of an exit, I can remember thinking that the remain camp must have really serious stuff to throw at their opponents in the last fortnight of the campaign if they feel they can play all of their strongest hands so early, but, instead there's been nothing as the campaign has been allowed to centre on the ground where the exiters are strongest - immigration.
I feel the remain campaign has been very complacent because it seems that they thought the whole thing would be as good as over once they'd "battered" their rivals with their daily press releases and speeches regarding the economy - not only complacent, but also out of touch with how substantial numbers of Britons feel about the issue of EU membership.
About ten days ago I said on here that those fully committed to the side which ends up losing the vote would be justified in feeling completely let down by those who presented the public face of their campaign - I've come to feel that even more strongly since then.
I don't think the leaders on either side can be blamed for creating the sort of bitter, nasty, intolerant and polarised nation we are in serious danger of becoming in the three months of campaigning we've had. Those feelings we're there already I suspect, but their gross ineptitude, total lack of vision and proper leadership and truly dreadful standard of debating has certainly helped in bringing it more to the surface - I don't know what the outcome of the vote will be, but I've a feeling that great harm has been done to the country whoever wins.
We couldn't send Captain Hook home because of those Wankers with their human rights "laws"
Do I detect hesitation.
Times Article
""" On Tuesday when I met him Stephen Kinnock, MP for Aberavon, still shared an office with Jo Cox. That morning Jeremy Corbyn, his boss, had finally got around to relaunching Labour’s “In” campaign.
Two days later Jo Cox was murdered. Her killer shouted “Britain first” as he stabbed and shot her. In years to come, when people think back to the EU referendum, they will most likely not immediately think of Mr Corbyn or David Cameron or Boris Johnson. They will think of Jo Cox.
Yesterday when I spoke to Mr Kinnock again there were tears on the other end ""
If that's all that was said in the article then I don't see anything wrong with it. The use of the words "in years to come" seem to make it clear that the writer thinks that Jo Cox will not be a factor as people vote on Thursday. I can't say I agree with that point of view mind - I'm sure there'll be people, especially in her constituency, who will be thinking of her as they vote, but, equally, I can't help thinking that there will be some who have Thomas Mair in their thoughts as they enter the ballot box.
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