Reply With QuoteNo you didn't.Originally Posted by Nelsonca61
If the British electorate had voted Corbyn instead of Cameron, there would have been no brexit vote this parliament (I voted for Corbyn)
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No you didn't.If the British electorate had voted Corbyn instead of Cameron, there would have been no brexit vote this parliament (I voted for Corbyn)
So impressive you couldn't remember if it was about Tax credits or bombing Syria.
Last edited by TH63; 26-06-16 at 06:17.
I think him sacking Benn is appaulling.just makes Corbyn look like a dead man walking
Oh i will sack anyone who doesnt back me
he should have just taken a leaf out of my book, i would have tied im up in knots, he would have been looking sheepishly at the ground speechless in no time
He spent years on the back benches deliberateyl and constantly voting against the Labour Whip and said he had a right to do it because it was his political belief. then when someone does it to him he throws his toys out of the pram.
Anybody who puts their trust in the venal, vile and stinking hypocrite that is Diane Abbott is someone not to be trusted, IMO
While I agree with many of his policies I don't think he is a good leader. He's weak and ineffective and shys away from though HR decisions. His behaviour and lack of leadership during Brexit was a disgrace.
Don't think he has nipped it in the bud.
Heidi Alexander the shadow health secretary has resigned.
First of many methinks
He doesn't deliver his point very well . He doesn't come across a born leader . Jeremy Corbyn will never lead this country .
He won the Labour leadership with his honesty, integrity and traditional Labour values. He was positive in the campaign about the EU where is backed his Labour values but wasn't afraid to say where the EU wasn't so great and didn't position himself as one of its main supporters, this honestly represents not only his stance but also a traditional labour stance. The traditional pro-European parties seem to be the Tories and Lid Dems and no one backed the EU like Tim Farron.
The labour supporters previously backed Corbyn values and prevented the revolt from the party (who seem to care about destroying Corbyn, getting into power and fighting for labour policy...in that order) but now the party thinks that labour supporters are generally pro-European and see their chance.
If you are going to be talking about pathetic campaigns then you should look at the negativity and misinformation spouted by Boris, by Cameron by the majority.
Is voting against the labour whip the same as encouraging others to mass-resign?
Isn't it funny how Teresa May is being looked at as the next Prime Minister for being mostly absent from the campaign but Corbyn who was honest about the parts he liked, honest about the parts he didn't and ran a quiet but definitely there campaign looks like he might be booted.
Covering all bases, as usual.
How did you manage that when Milliband was the Labour leader?If the British electorate had voted Corbyn instead of Cameron, there would have been no brexit vote this parliament (I voted for Corbyn)
Isn't that a Jo Cox related photo? That's in bad taste if it is IMHO.
We're obviously going to disagree on Corbyn's campaigning efficacy. That's fair enough. You seem to be a Labour supporter? Can I ask a question in all politeness (as someone from afar who is sympathetic to core socialist principles)? I don't see how Labour can span the interests of its traditional voters who appear to have voted en masse for Leave and its activists who are clearly very strong Remain supporters. In short it appears f**ked to me.
onist ? this is a leader who had very little time for the EU yet pretended to endorse it, his flock saw through him and deserted him.
Five in total have resigned from the shadow cabinet today now.
Not much of a flock though. He came from nowhere to win so didn't really have many allies in the first place but that matters more to MPs than it does to Labour supporters. This looks like another big sulk.
With regard to leadership, we've had more statesmanlike types just recently and they've taken us to an illegal war, a economic crisis, some awful aspects of austerity, a disenfranchised populace and now the possible break-up of the UK. Maybe we should ditch looking for the stereotype.
Corbyn was the only potential leader (as far as I recall) saying in the campaign that Labour had to be a big tent and a broad church, maybe because he had to say it more than most, but all Labour does these days is try to deny that and say "we need a period of relection".
Corbyn's views resonate enough with the party membership to get him elected and if, as I think many suspect, he is not pro-EU then at least part of his views resonates with 52% of voters, but how many Labour politicians or groups have really backed him for at least a week? He probably isn't strong enough to be a prime minister but much of his personality, much of his views should be exactly what Labour are looking for and yet they seem more interested in people like Chuka who dropped out of the leadership campaign and hasn't stopped talking about it since or David Milliband who said nothing when press were accusing his brother of stabbing him in the back only to return drop "they chose the wrong brother" and fly off again. The party seems to want someone who can woo the press more than anything else.
Think it's Peter Hitchens who said that Labour and Tories are like two corpses propping each other up and what we need is both to fall so politicians that represent people's views can thrive but I'm not sure if that's a good thing if it gives people like Boris (who is pro-EU but wanted power and has now got it by blatantly misrepresenting his position and the facts about the EU) or IDS or May or Farage etc. more power. We do need two party politics to fall but that would just be the start of political reform, something that was really needed before deciding whether the EU can match us or not.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...-HITCHENS.html
A big thing in this referendum and the Scottish one before is how people are sick of London-centric politics where everyone sounds and thinks pretty much the same. It doesn't make for a representative house and people feel as if you can no longer speak about real concerns without being accused of being something or other.
I think Corbyn is basically an honourable and decent man but as Hilary Benn said this morning he is simply not a leader. The latter had the courage to tell him so and got sacked, which of course is what he expected to happen! Benn certainly appears to more statesman-like than Corbyn and would make a respected leader I think, although he said that he will not be standing as a candidate.
Good post. Ta.
I have never been a fan of Peter Hitchens but, if he said this, he is spot on.
Maybe the SDP was 30 years too soon? A new centre-left party might encompass the Liberals, Greens, parts of Labour and even some one-nation Tories?
Doubting that the Brexit will ever take place is hardly covering all bases, especially when the politicians themselves are saying it will happen!
Last edited by Wales-Bales; 26-06-16 at 13:39.
It's the only photo I could find that shows all three politicians who have suddenly found their careers in turmoil, and it's the most recent one emphasizing that a week in politics is a very long time! You seem to be one of the new breed of PC do-gooders, are you one of them?
Labour have very few strong politicians these days.It saddens me to say this but the Tories have far more articulate debaters than Labour have at the moment. It is a very big problem.
Will there be a General Election in November? I'm not so sure. The Tories love being in power and if they felt the new Labour leader was a threat they would not want to risk an election. We are going to have an interesting few months. Labour are in real trouble though. The rise of nationalism in Scotland and now England could all but destroy them.
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