Reply With QuoteHow would you feel if it was a member of your close family?Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
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Just intrigued at how it is possible that we're seeing a long prepared plan going into action while events are fast getting ahead of everybody.
Btw thanks for editing the original post where you called me a tit, I feel loved now.
How would you feel if it was a member of your close family?
Cannot see a General Election this year. There is everything for the Tories to lose and not much to gain.
Events getting ahead of everybody refers to the general fluid situation now evolving, while any plan to botch the Brexit will only involve a very small number of insiders, who incidentally will take advantage of the situation now unfolding.Just intrigued at how it is possible that we're seeing a long prepared plan going into action while events are fast getting ahead of everybody.
Btw thanks for editing the original post where you called me a tit, I feel loved now.
Interesting to see some reaction on BBC website from non-coup Labour MPs who are not part of Corbyn's close circle - alongside the pro-Corbyn petition from (mainly) grass root Labour members and supporters that is creeping up to 300,000 names:
Andy Burnham:
Andy Burnham ✔ @andyburnhammp
At an uncertain time like this for our country, I cannot see how it makes sense for the Opposition to plunge itself into a civil war. 1/3
Andy Burnham ✔ @andyburnhammp
I have never taken part in a coup against any Leader of the Labour Party and I am not going to start now. 2/3
Andy Burnham ✔ @andyburnhammp
It is for our members to decide who leads our Party & 10 months ago they gave Jeremy Corbyn a resounding mandate. I respect that & them. 3/3
Paul Flynn:
Labour MP Paul Flynn has accused shadow cabinet members of "playing party games" while jobs are in peril.
"We should all be working to shore up the Post Brexit collapsing confidence in future jobs, Steel jobs and jobs in other companies like Airbus Newport are in new peril," he wrote on his blog.
"Progress has been made recently in building up a case to retain steel jobs in the UK. We want strong statements from all parties that UK and EU cooperation will continue. Already some jobs are haemorrhaging out of the country.
"It's a disgrace that political parties are playing self-indulgent games with orchestrated resignations on the hour as part of an organised treachery."
Jon Trickett:
Shadow secretary of state for communities Jon Trickett says Labour needs to get on and represent a different vision for Britain from the Conservatives, after the referendum result.
Asked about shadow cabinet resignations, he says: "There's a lot to do, Jeremy will focus on that."
"The government's falling apart, they don't have a vision for Europe," he said. "The Labour party must focus on the future."
And he defended Jeremy Corbyn's leadership, saying he's a "decent" man, not an "alpha" man, but the country wants something different.
Also very revealing comment from pro-Leave Tory MP:
Faisal Islam ✔ @faisalislam
Conservative Leave MP, Boris backer: "there is no plan. Leave campaign don't have a post Brexit plan, Number 10 should have had one"
Last edited by jon1959; 26-06-16 at 14:07.
I feel most uncomfortable that you have just liked the post above about two dead corpses, when that poor MP hasn't even be buried yet. How insensitive of you.
As mentioned elsewhere, Cameron has cynically destroyed the careers of the Brexit Tories. They have no way out!
Labour have been in a mess for some time. The Gordon Brown off mic comment about just another bigoted old lady just summed up what the progressive liberalism side really think of their "core vote". The problem is their core vote has sussed them out and deserted them. In Scotland they have the SNP but in Wales Plaid are so weak UKIP is surprisingly the answer!
The labour central office inserted the same new labour London/metropolitan type into constituencies all over the country for the last 20 years, where they do not understand the local people or issues and now it has come home to roost. The next election will be a blood bath for labour whoever is leader. IMO they need a state schooled, preferably female who lives and got brought up outside London.
The Tories caused this issue but will come out relatively unscathed, losing Dave and Gideon is a bonus for them.
With the quiet Remain supporter Theresa May becoming PM and saving the day by reversing the Brexit?
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...-article-50-eu
Last edited by Wales-Bales; 26-06-16 at 15:54.
No idea what that means. Let's just drop it. It's up to you what you post.
Whilst I might disagree with them, it's blindingly obvious that a large number of people in the UK are concerned with mass net migration. Nobody is actually connecting with this group - left, right or centre. Even UKIP are just sloganeer populists and offer no solutions.
Labour is absolutely f**ked over this. The Tories Achilles heal is still the EU. The majority of Tory MPs disagree with Leave. I see a Tory schism too if they're not careful.
Well obviously you are very selective about when you play your PC cards if you take issue with a photograph of politicians performing their public duties, and ignoring the political aspect of the whole situation.
This is the below-the-line comment mentioned in the above article
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If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.
Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.
With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.
How?
Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor.
And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legistlation to be torn up and rewritten ... the list grew and grew.
The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction.
The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50?
Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders?
Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-maneouvered and check-mated.
If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.
The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.
When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was "never". When Michael Gove went on and on about "informal negotiations" ... why? why not the formal ones straight away? ... he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take.
All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign.
It's nine now.
Last edited by Wales-Bales; 26-06-16 at 17:59.
Make that 10
Now 11 (if you count Karl Turner the shadow Attorney General - not strictly a shadow cabinet member but counted as a resignee by the BBC).
The latest to announce his resignation in this choreographed ambush is Chris Bryant - professional tosser.
I was looking at the mug shots of the shadow cabinet earlier and had a side bet with herself that Bryant would be on the list before the end of the day - he'd be watching the clock waiting for the pre-arranged time for him to go public.
Whatever peoples' judgement on Corbyn the way this coup has been organised, with hourly resignations (thinking that it would ramp up the tension and the pressure?), has been childish. They've had months to plan this - and they end up handing the dignity card to their enemy.
Last edited by jon1959; 26-06-16 at 21:27.
It's a disgrace. These are labour politicians who - in the period where the Chancellor has gone missing, prime minister has resigned, probable future Tory leader is being booed outside his own house and there is no plan coming out of number 10 - would rather attack their own leader than unite for the sake of their own party and the huge numbers worried about the future.
And what has Corbyn done wrong? He apparently wasn't prominent enough in the EU campaign, which really means he was honest about the positives and negatives of the EU rather than get involved in the mass misinformation and scare tactics.
Spot ****ing on
It's quite convenient that the Tories are MIA today which allows full media coverage to focus on the Labour resignations.
I haven't agreed with most of your recent posts.
But I like this. "Join the EU" as a vote-winner.
The problem is that by then we will be out and having to re-apply from scratch unless someone achieves a hell of a filibuster!
I agree with the sentiment behind what you say and I genuinely wanted Jeremy Corbyn to be the man who could help provide the in touch, competent and electable left of centre opposition that this country desperately needs. However, although I don't like the fact that the attempt to unseat him is so obviously a pre-planned excercise, the fact of it is that when I see Hilary Benn saying Corbyn is a good bloke, but no leader, I have to agree with him. It's not just that he didn't come across at all as the sort of strong leader Labour and the country needed in the referendum campaign, he's not done it in the last nine or ten months either.
Corbyn may not be a Prime Minister in waiting but he's leading a party with many MP's who never backed him and many MP's who barely backed him and now are taking their chance.
Even if Corbyn leaving is the right thing to do then can anyone tell me how tweeting your resignation letter is?
I think Corbyn is secretly enjoying this. He wanted shot of the Blairites, but didn't want to be the one who pushed the button. Any bets on a lot of deselections come the next general election if the Blairites don't win this battle?
Last edited by Wales-Bales; 27-06-16 at 17:13.
Corbyn was the one saying during the leadership race that Labour needed to be a broad church. Labour won't get into power while Blairites are refusing to work with a Corbyn and Labour won't get my vote while it's ran exclusively for Blairites.
Skinner (leave) shook Corbyn (officially remain) by the hand while supposedly pro-EU Labour members have tried to oust him, this all being while there is a facebook post about Corbyn only convincing 1% fewer of his parties support to vote remain compared to Sturgeon.
to be fair, it had been a long day, it was late, i had been up since 5am, i had also had a few kopparberg's aswellSo impressive you couldn't remember if it was about Tax credits or bombing Syria.
I didnt remember the specifics of the speech, but remember he speaking well and it stood out ( most politicians speech's are fairly forgettable for me )
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