Should he stay or should he go ?
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Should he stay or should he go ?
I'm certain there will be a Labour leadership election once the PLP majority agree on one or more (probably one) anti-Corbyn candidates to put up against him.
Despite the constitutional arguments I'm fairly sure Corbyn will stand again.
Then it's down to the members and supporters. It will be a different type of election from last summer and I doubt Corbyn will be a first ballor winner (was 60%) like last time. There is massive resentment amongst the Labour electorate about the PLP coup - but also a fraying of the original Corbyn support, but as things stand now he is still favourite.
That may change if the big unions lose confidence in him. Publicly he still has their backing - but it sounds as if that may not be as clear cut behind closed doors.
It will turn into a leadership campaign about principle and pragmatism - who can best renew the Labour Party and reach out to lost and new supporters - and who can win.
I meant the electorate for a Labour Party leader - the members, registered supporters and union supporters. The people who will decide.
I base my opinion only on what I have read on the interweb and in papers, seen on the TV, and on talking to Labour members in Sheffield and to representatives from the local Trades Council who are mostly rallying around Corbyn. They are not Momentum members. I may have a distorted picture of the mood and opinions of members/supporters across the UK, but I doubt it. I think Corbyn has lost some support since last September - but the PLP coup is seen by many as two fingers to the members and activists. If it had been done in a different way there may have been more support for a new leadership election and more openness to the idea that someone other than Corbyn is needed to lead a general election campaign.
How do you know that?
All votes are secret. No one knows who voted how, it is all conjecture and numbers made up by polsters.
In a number of elections, including the last one they got it wrong ad the basic reason was what people tell them, and what those people actually do in the privacy of the voting booth are two different things.
Step up perhaps Angela Eagle , a brave appointment , I would suggest considering the blinkered views of many to civil partnership.
Others I would consider as good politicians are : Hilary Benn , Andy Burnham , Chuka Umunna , and Stephen Kinnock perhaps as an outsider, just don't know enough about him, comes across well on the media ,which unfortunately counts these days .
And where is David Miliband in all this I hear he potentially lined up for a "top" US government position if Hillary Clinton becomes president in January 2017 ,what a wasted opportunity for Labour , as him v a Bros would be fun and a potential win for labour ??
I feel though overall, and sadly this is the start of a break up within Labour , and the birth of two new parties.
Last edited by life on mars; 28-06-16 at 17:20.
Ordinarily, it would be principle over pragmatism every time for me, but, based on what I've seen over the past nine months, and especially during the referendum campaign, I don't think Corbyn is up to the job full stop. That's why I want him out, nothing to do with principles or pragmatism - he can't lead his party, let alone a Government
Corbyn is pretty much like Russell Slade most people knew that he ain't the right guy to deliver the goods from day one same has Ed Miliband....Labour better get it right this time or i can see them folding.
Is this even about his performance during the referendum?
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.php...=1#post4642692
I wonder who will be his Brutus,Watson or Mcdonnald (sp)
Angela Eagle as the new leader? Dear God Labour might as well disband.
The fact it has even been suggested is a kind of "we still have no idea", i'm just flummoxed by it all, we desperately IMO, need a labour government, and the leader may not be the best leader but a leader that appeals to the public, it seems that the public doesn't vote on policy, but on looks, spin and bullshit, get it wrong and we may be stuck with the Tories for another 2 terms minimum, although this particular term post Brexit might be a poisoned chalice.
Yeah I agree. Labour are in a hell of a mess and have got to get it right. Burnham is one of the very few who can connect with the working class vote. Eagle would be a disaster.