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Turkey is in the process of changing from a relatively educated and safe secular state for the last 94 years, after Ataturk changed its constitution.Originally Posted by Llanedeyrnblue
However, under the dictatorship of Erdogan, Turkey is fast becoming an Islamic state where anyone who says anything other than what Erdogan wants to hear, will be jailed.
Erdogan has suspended the European convention on Human Rights. How far will he go to oppress Turkish people, will he kill his own people for disagreeing with him. How far will he be allowed to go? How far is too far?
Strangely enough, Angela Merkel has let the prosecution go ahead of a German comedian who read out a poem about Erdogan.
What plan has Merkel got, as it seems her journey is very different to many others in Europe.
Our new PM looks like she might be up for a bit of ML, any predictions?That seems to be the plan, eventually all the states of emergency will become one massive state of emergency, like a new world order kinda thing
Did they? Sneaky feckers.
Thank goodness we live in a civilised country. You wouldn't see Britons and Americans going around needlessly killing folk.
Oh hang on.....
I hate war it makes our life upside down, to stop it!
A state of emergency and there were no national police in Nice apparently, somebody must have been telling porkies.That seems to be the plan, eventually all the states of emergency will become one massive state of emergency, like a new world order kinda thing
Did they? Sneaky feckers.
Last edited by Wales-Bales; 22-07-16 at 10:20.
What are "national police" ?
Heavily armed bad mf'ers you don't want to mess with
In many countries you get "local" police answerable to the local mayor and a national police.
Like America for example, where at a major crime scene you'll have the Sherriff's dept representing the county, Municipal (City) Police, State Police and the Feds
And they've got bigger guns and are better trained in things like anti-terrorism.
i wouldnt want us to mess with turkey as it would kick off world war 3 i reckon. how about we start with malta and work our way up to bigger countries when we are more confident?
Cheers.
That being the case it's probably not that strange that there wasn't any located around the Bastille celebrations in Nice that day? Would something like that require more than a small local police presence?
Was the police response deficient in Nice?
By my understanding they stopped the guy pretty quickly, it's not as though he went on a 3 day rampage.
If national police had been somewhere in nice would it have been any different?
Just looked it up, and from the start of the attack to the police shooting him dead was less than 15 minutes.Cheers.
That being the case it's probably not that strange that there wasn't any located around the Bastille celebrations in Nice that day? Would something like that require more than a small local police presence?
Unless the national police were literally waiting for him at the place he was going to attack it is difficult to see how their presence would have made much difference
The entrance to the promenade should have be blocked off, with a checkpoint established and patrolled by the sufficietly armed national police (there is a state of emergency in force). Instead the entrance was left open with two local officers standing by. To the point, it would have made a massive amount of difference as no vehicle would have entered that area.
Last edited by Wales-Bales; 22-07-16 at 12:30.
I agree, although it must be a nightmare trying to balance freedom and security, plus how far do you go? Take airports for example, we appear to have managed to stop the buggers sneaking stuff through security so instead they target the non-airside parts. Next step is to screen anyone going into the arrivals/departure hall. Then they'll be hitting the car parks, where do you stop, Tescos?
Promenade des anglais which I think is where it took place is a huge main road, there must be dozens of ways to get onto it.
Unless they specifically knew that this tyoe of attack was planned it's difficult to expect massive security on every junction with the road.
Hindsight with 20:20 vision. It's a quite wonderful thing.
What are you talking about? Every organised outdoor event is a target. It's not as though the people just turned up there randomly. Thank feck you are not in charge of law and order.
Hence why there was Police there.
All two of them.Hence why there was Police there.
It is literally meaningless claiming what should have been done in Nice.
The police forces can only do so much.
You cannot have mass forces protecting every celebration on Bastille day.
It is impossible.
It was Bastille day though- celebrations in every town and village in France. The national police cannothave been everywhere.
Exactly, I'm sure they weren't all having the day off
It's just not good enough, we must have more security
And the above poster that says the news has been boring wants to switch off the welsh news.
Stories about people stealing traffic cones when hundreds of thousands have died in the middle east in the past 10 years.
If Ukraine is anything go by. Most large nations will do all possible to avoid direct conflict now.
Struggling to see who in europe would fight each other. Or why any european would fight other countries.
The past 10-15 years in the middle east will be talked about in a hundred years time.
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