The best 9/11 video that you are ever likely to see.

[Dr Lecter]

The question that was posed was, did such a video exist? I've never seen it if it does. There are just multiple reports about this particular incident. What is more revealing is the police officer who eventually stopped them on the bridge, A bridge that they were not expecting to be closed as a phone call to the police directed them to, 'Palestinians' crossing another bridge, has now given his first full interview on the subject.

So no video evidence, just some sketchy versions of what might have been?

And you wonder why people are sceptical?

Don't get me wrong Mr Splott, I'm sure we can all agree that the people in charge are up to no end of dodgy dealings and there's plenty of nasty stuff going on behind the scenes by some despicable people. However even you have to admit that the amount of bollox posted on the internet does nothing to convince the doubters that 90% of this conspiracy stuff is full of holes?

Or perhaps that's the plan - post lots of nonsense so the real questions get lost amongst the nonsense?

[lardy]

Or perhaps that's the plan - post lots of nonsense so the real questions get lost amongst the nonsense?

This is exactly the plan. As long as people are asking stupid questions like 'was it really a plane that hit the Pentagon?' then all the proper questions don't get asked.

It amazes me that 15 years on there are still people falling into the trap.

[Splott David]

So no video evidence, just some sketchy versions of what might have been?

And you wonder why people are sceptical?

Don't get me wrong Mr Splott, I'm sure we can all agree that the people in charge are up to no end of dodgy dealings and there's plenty of nasty stuff going on behind the scenes by some despicable people. However even you have to admit that the amount of bollox posted on the internet does nothing to convince the doubters that 90% of this conspiracy stuff is full of holes?

Or perhaps that's the plan - post lots of nonsense so the real questions get lost amongst the nonsense?

If 9/11 was cut and dried there wouldn't be any controversy over it. You only have to look at the initial video that was posted on the issue to see that there are more questions than answers on the subject. Interestingly enough so far no one has found fault with that video, denied any of the claims, or rejected the account of what happened, or when it happened.

[Splott David]

This is exactly the plan. As long as people are asking stupid questions like 'was it really a plane that hit the Pentagon?' then all the proper questions don't get asked.

It amazes me that 15 years on there are still people falling into the trap.

If you see the initial photo taken before the outside wall collapsed, then it is easy to see why people ask questions about the incident at the Pentagon.

[lardy]

If you see the initial photo taken before the outside wall collapsed, then it is easy to see why people ask questions about the incident at the Pentagon.

My question is what happened to the plane full of people that allegedly hit the building? All the very smart investigative people must have an answer, right?

[Splott David]

My question is what happened to the plane full of people that allegedly hit the building? All the very smart investigative people must have an answer, right?

What about the plane that crashed into soft earth? Russian planes crash into solid concrete runways and more debris, body parts and luggage is found. The last time we did this was 2012 and there were 854 posts on the thread. I've still got it in pdf.

[Dr Lecter]

This is exactly the plan. As long as people are asking stupid questions like 'was it really a plane that hit the Pentagon?' then all the proper questions don't get asked.

It amazes me that 15 years on there are still people falling into the trap.

It amazes me that after 15 years the brilliant combined minds of people like Splott Dai haven't been able to provide enough evidence to prove such an obvious stitch up.

They need to up their game imo - even Slade would have figured out a solution after fifteen years.

[Splott David]

It amazes me that after 15 years the brilliant combined minds of people like Splott Dai haven't been able to provide enough evidence to prove such an obvious stitch up.

They need to up their game imo - even Slade would have figured out a solution after fifteen years.

'Amazed'? You accept the points made in the initial video then?

[lardy]

What about the plane that crashed into soft earth? Russian planes crash into solid concrete runways and more debris, body parts and luggage is found. The last time we did this was 2012 and there were 854 posts on the thread. I've still got it in pdf.

Exactly. These huge gaping holes in the story are mentioned and the subject can't be changed quickly enough.

[Organ Morgan.]

Perhaps the Jews removed every copy of it on the Internet.

Or maybe It was all a dream.

No, I viewed it several times. I've seen comments from many others' who saw it. But I must confess I've failed to locate it anywhere.

[Splott David]

Exactly. These huge gaping holes in the story are mentioned and the subject can't be changed quickly enough.

I have no idea what story you are referring to. The initial video is there. The content is quite clear. The questions revolve around the points raised in that video.

[Organ Morgan.]

This is exactly the plan. As long as people are asking stupid questions like 'was it really a plane that hit the Pentagon?' then all the proper questions don't get asked.

It amazes me that 15 years on there are still people falling into the trap.

Unless I'm misinterpreting (apologies if so), you're implying it had to be a plane that hit the Pentagon, per the official line, and anyone who says differently is a nut. The fella in the video, a former US general, has tons of credibility. Worth a look as it's only 55 seconds duration.

[Splott David]

Unless I'm misinterpreting (apologies if so), you're implying it had to be a plane that hit the Pentagon, per the official line, and anyone who says differently is a nut. The fella in the video, a former US general, has tons of credibility. Worth a look as it's only 55 seconds duration.

The usual suspects with their sarcastic naysaying approach, won't say what they think happened. Aware of the controversy over the event, but content to sit on a fence rather than commit to the official line and a report which some members of the 9/11 Commission have already disowned.

[Splott David]

My question is what happened to the plane full of people that allegedly hit the building? All the very smart investigative people must have an answer, right?

The problem is a simple one. How can any sane person believe the official 9/11 Commission Report when the Commission's own members have expressed so many doubts about it?


"Six years after 9/11, the American public have still not been provided with a full and truthful account of the single greatest terror attack in US history.

What they got was a turkey. The 9/11 Commission was hamstrung by official obstruction. It never managed to ascertain the whole truth of what happened on September 11 2001.

The chair and vice chair of the 9/11 Commission, respectively Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton, assert in their book, Without Precedent, that they were "set up to fail" and were starved of funds to do a proper investigation. They also confirm that they were denied access to the truth and misled by senior officials in the Pentagon and the federal aviation authority; and that this obstruction and deception led them to contemplate slapping officials with criminal charges.

Despite the many public statements by 9/11 commissioners and staff members acknowledging they were repeatedly lied to, not a single person has ever been charged, tried, or even reprimanded, for lying to the 9/11 Commission."


https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...1thebigcoverup

[goslow]

By 1980, General Stubblebine commanded the Electronic Research and Development Command (ERADCOM). Stubblebine was strongly influenced by Lt. Col. Jim Channon's New Age document First Earth Battalion Field Manual (1979). Stubblebine became a proponent of psychic warfare and initiated a project within the U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command (INSCOM), which he commanded from 1981 to 1984, to create "a breed of 'super soldier'" who would "have the ability to become invisible at will and to walk through walls". He attempted to walk through walls himself[2][3] — but failed, as he himself described in a 2004 interview.[4] (These activities feature prominently in Jon Ronson's 2004 book The Men Who Stare at Goats.[5][6])

[lardy]

The problem is a simple one. How can any sane person believe the official 9/11 Commission Report when the Commission's own members have expressed so many doubts about it?


"Six years after 9/11, the American public have still not been provided with a full and truthful account of the single greatest terror attack in US history.

What they got was a turkey. The 9/11 Commission was hamstrung by official obstruction. It never managed to ascertain the whole truth of what happened on September 11 2001.

The chair and vice chair of the 9/11 Commission, respectively Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton, assert in their book, Without Precedent, that they were "set up to fail" and were starved of funds to do a proper investigation. They also confirm that they were denied access to the truth and misled by senior officials in the Pentagon and the federal aviation authority; and that this obstruction and deception led them to contemplate slapping officials with criminal charges.

Despite the many public statements by 9/11 commissioners and staff members acknowledging they were repeatedly lied to, not a single person has ever been charged, tried, or even reprimanded, for lying to the 9/11 Commission."


https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...1thebigcoverup

So what happened to the plane that went missing if it didn't hit the Pentagon?

[Splott David]

So what happened to the plane that went missing if it didn't hit the Pentagon?

We're going around in circles with this. The same questions came up in 2010 on here and again in 2012 when the debate went on for weeks.

A plane or no plane is not really relevant. A plane hit a building, but was it piloted or was it remotely controlled?

I repeat, the most interesting account, which attempted to deal with as many strands of connected information as possible comes from Christopher Bollyn.

[lardy]

Yes its relevant and no I don't remember what you said in 2012. So what happened to the hijacked plane full of passengers?

[Splott David]

Yes its relevant and no I don't remember what you said in 2012. So what happened to the hijacked plane full of passengers?

What proof do you have that a plane was hi-jacked? You have none whatsoever. Nobody does.

[lardy]

What proof do you have that a plane was hi-jacked? You have none whatsoever. Nobody does.

Ok as you're being pedantic, I'll change the question for you. What happened to the plane that took off full of passengers that is said to have hit the Pentagon?

[goslow]

Ok as you're being pedantic, I'll change the question for you. What happened to the plane that took off full of passengers that is said to have hit the Pentagon?

by Christopher C. Kelly
Public Affairs, Armed Forces Institute of Pathology

What some experts have called "the most comprehensive forensic investigation in U.S. history" ended Nov. 16 with the identification of 184 of the 189 who died in the terrorist attack on the Pentagon.

A multidisciplinary team of more than 50 forensic specialists, scientists and support personnel from the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology played a major role in Operation Nobel Eagle investigations, officials said. AFIP is an executive agency of the Army surgeon general.

You'll never get a straight answer out of splotter,he doesn't know how to.

[Splott David]

Ok as you're being pedantic, I'll change the question for you. What happened to the plane that took off full of passengers that is said to have hit the Pentagon?

It's not about being 'pedantic' there is no proof whatsoever that any plane was hi-jacked. There is only a working assumption that they were hi-jacked. In other words the official line relies on a theory that planes were hi-jacked. Everything connected with those flights including the fictitious 'phone call' from one of the flights is pure speculation. It is unbelievable that so many people swallow the official line when people involved in the 9/11 Commission have already denounced it.

If fully qualified airline pilots say that a particular approach and descent is beyond the capabilities of most experienced pilots, then why should we be dismissive of their views that inexperienced people would find it impossible to carry out the same manoeuvre?

If we look at everything from a logical, evidenced based perspective, then it quickly becomes obvious that what the public have been told with regard to the whole events surrounding 9/11 simply do not add up.

[Dr Lecter]

It's not about being 'pedantic' there is no proof whatsoever that any plane was hi-jacked. There is only a working assumption that they were hi-jacked. In other words the official line relies on a theory that planes were hi-jacked. Everything connected with those flights including the fictitious 'phone call' from one of the flights is pure speculation. It is unbelievable that so many people swallow the official line when people involved in the 9/11 Commission have already denounced it.

If fully qualified airline pilots say that a particular approach and descent is beyond the capabilities of most experienced pilots, then why should we be dismissive of their views that inexperienced people would find it impossible to carry out the same manoeuvre?

If we look at everything from a logical, evidenced based perspective, then it quickly becomes obvious that what the public have been told with regard to the whole events surrounding 9/11 simply do not add up.

You haven't answered his question though.

Regardless of if it was hijacked or not, what happened to the plane?

[Splott David]

You haven't answered his question though.

Regardless of if it was hijacked or not, what happened to the plane?

If you're open to the possibility that none of the planes were actually hi-jacked, then the only possible answer is that they were flown remotely as a result of having their computers hacked into. That being the case they were crashed deliberately.

[Splott David]

Ok as you're being pedantic, I'll change the question for you. What happened to the plane that took off full of passengers that is said to have hit the Pentagon?

"Although the adjustments required to maintain the shallow angle of descent may have challenged a human pilot, they would seem an easy task for a 757's autopilot, with its ability to read instruments and adjust control surfaces accordingly with great speed and accuracy."
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pentagon/