My take on a second eu referendum

[Rjk]

The problem as I see it with the first EU referendum, was that there wasn't much clearly defined on either side of the argument to tell us what we were actually voting for.

This information vacuum was hastily filled with speculation, rumour and misinformation, and it still isn't clear today what the overall result of either decision would be, so it was a process that was fatally flawed from the start.
As it is it looks like we are going to end up leaving the EU but at a greater cost than previously indicated and potentially without having any effect in immigration, which doesn't seem like it's what anyone voted for.

If a second referendum was held, it would be completely pointless to ask the same question as that would be subject to the same speculations and weaknesses.

If a second referendum was going to be held it would have to be after the option or options for leaving or staying were fleshed out in detail and costed then people coukd have something concrete to vote for, not sone empty rhetoric.

[Barry Dragon]

The problem as I see it with the first EU referendum, was that there wasn't much clearly defined on either side of the argument to tell us what we were actually voting for.

This information vacuum was hastily filled with speculation, rumour and misinformation, and it still isn't clear today what the overall result of either decision would be, so it was a process that was fatally flawed from the start.
As it is it looks like we are going to end up leaving the EU but at a greater cost than previously indicated and potentially without having any effect in immigration, which doesn't seem like it's what anyone voted for.

If a second referendum was held, it would be completely pointless to ask the same question as that would be subject to the same speculations and weaknesses.

If a second referendum was going to be held it would have to be after the option or options for leaving or staying were fleshed out in detail and costed then people coukd have something concrete to vote for, not sone empty rhetoric.

Brexit is looking better and better as each day passes. Economy is improving on so many levels, were we not meant to have a horrible crash??

And apparently many many people did vote for the migration reasons.

There are alot of games to be played out between EU and the UK. EU saying no access to single market without free movement, we retort with, okay so single market is off the table, we will have import duties on all the things you sell to us. Its a game being played out. Each trying to not to give anything away for free too early on.

I would agree that people will finally learn what a vote to stay in and a vote to leave actually means. It was never fleshed out for the referendum, it was a terrible way to go about it.

[Dr Lecter]

Perhaps we can have a referendum to decide if we should have a referendum?

My guess is only people who didn't get their own way would want another go?

It's done. We voted to leave.

[Gabalphaville]

It would be dreadful for democracy if we had another Euro referendum. I voted Remain but would abstain out of protest if there was another referendum on the issue.

[Dr Lecter]

It would be dreadful for democracy if we had another Euro referendum. I voted Remain but would abstain out of protest if there was another referendum on the issue.

This.

I voted to leave (despite not being 100% convinced) but if we had to do it all again I wouldn't vote on principle.

If politicians give the people a choice then they have to go with the decision made. Otherwise don't give peope a say in the first place.

[TH63]

This.

I voted to leave (despite not being 100% convinced) but if we had to do it all again I wouldn't vote on principle.

If politicians give the people a choice then they have to go with the decision made. Otherwise don't give peope a say in the first place.

This.

A bloke in the pub said to me the other night, and I'm not making this up "Brixet (sic) has been good so far, we did well at the commonwealth games and everyone seems happy"

Of course he was in his 70's, so chances are he won't have to live with the full impact of his vote.

[Packerman]

This.

A bloke in the pub said to me the other night, and I'm not making this up "Brixet (sic) has been good so far, we did well at the commonwealth games and everyone seems happy"

Of course he was in his 70's, so chances are he won't have to live with the full impact of his vote.

maybe he wont live to see the benefits of his vote, economy seems to be surging ahead if ( and its a big IF to most of the regular politics forum posters) MSN can be believed

[Wales-Bales]

maybe he wont live to see the benefits of his vote, economy seems to be surging ahead if ( and its a big IF to most of the regular politics forum posters) MSN can be believed

I wouldn't believe anything what Microsoft said

[Mrs Steve R]

This.

I voted to leave (despite not being 100% convinced) but if we had to do it all again I wouldn't vote on principle.

If politicians give the people a choice then they have to go with the decision made. Otherwise don't give peope a say in the first place.

This.

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/overseas-...572EF8FC490082

[TH63]

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/overseas-...572EF8FC490082

Yeah I know... but in our democracy, we elect a government to make informed intelligent decisions on our behalf.
In this instance, we allowed "the people" to make a decision that the majority were ill equipped to make.
In some instances (as in the example I mentioned previously), "the people" shouldn't be trusted with deciding what to have for tea.

[Eric Cartman]

If Brexit goes well then things will stay roughly the same. If it goes badly then it will be a disaster - ageing population, immigration has become a dirty word, companies leave, the educated young grads/workforce who have been hammered by successive governments refuse to pick up the bill and move somewhere more prosperous.

[Eric Cartman]

Population projections made for scary reading pre-brexit. If we are due some token clamp down on inward migration then we are in a sticky situation.

[Heathblue]

We never had an options when Joining, a simple yes/no

[Wales-Bales]

There was loads of information available if you looked for it. If you just watched the BBC or followed the mainstream media, then not so much.

[Rjk]

I don't expect there to be another referendum at all. And it's not cut and dry that the result would be any different.

I just find it interesting that if uk PLC was a business we would certainly be at least having another look at the decision once the details had been fleshed out a bit more, nobody runs a business like that. You start a project, then plan it out and see if it still worthwhile doing.
Is there a reason why countries need to be less well run?

[Wales-Bales]

I don't expect there to be another referendum at all. And it's not cut and dry that the result would be any different.

I just find it interesting that if uk PLC was a business we would certainly be at least having another look at the decision once the details had been fleshed out a bit more, nobody runs a business like that. You start a project, then plan it out and see if it still worthwhile doing.
Is there a reason why countries need to be less well run?

If the UK PLC was run as a business it would mean a select few would accumulate all the wealth, while making decisions that were to the detriment of the vast majority.

[Rjk]

If the UK PLC was run as a business it would mean a select few would accumulate all the wealth, while making decisions that were to the detriment of the vast majority.

What if the vast majority were the shareholders, like John Lewis?
Plus we get a 25% discount.

[Wales-Bales]

What if the vast majority were the shareholders, like John Lewis?
Plus we get a 25% discount.

Has anybody notified Mr Rothschild?

[surge]

While a second EU referendum is unlikely I do think we should be able to vote for which party we wish to deliver it before it happens, and this should include parties who don't want out at all.

If, for example, you wished to have Theresa May as PM you would have to contend with her seemingly being against freedom of movement almost totally* (unless you are connected enough to have a high paying job offer), wants to scrap the Human Rights Act and wants to buddy up to China which, while can offer massive investment, has a poor record on climate change (one of the biggest challenges) and human rights.

*Farage and co were going on about a points based system to secure our borders but also open up to the World however it was May who wished to introduce a 35k threshold for non-EU settling in the UK. How many on here earn 35k a year?

[Eric Cartman]

Democracy is the worst form of Government except all for those other forms that have been tried from time to time.

It's not up to you to decide what is a good or bad decision - it's the collective mind of a nation. There is no such thing as good or bad in this context - just varying degrees of success or failure

Nonsense. I am in charge of what I think and say. If I think something is a bad decision, I can say it.

[Eric Cartman]

Would they have been ill equipped if the decision had gone the other way though?

He was saying it when remain were expected to win by a landslide.

[Mrs Steve R]

He was saying it when remain were expected to win by a landslide.

That's fair enough then, perhaps we should talk about it again if we eventually leave I'm sure there will be plenty more horror stories to get the beret wearers out on the streets before then.

[Wales-Bales]

That's fair enough then, perhaps we should talk about it again if we eventually leave I'm sure there will be plenty more horror stories to get the beret wearers out on the streets before then.

He wore a pink beret the kind you find in a second hand store

[Mrs Steve R]

He wore a pink beret the kind you find in a second hand store

[Wales-Bales]

Ah democracy, if it were left to the government to decide the EU issue, they would have implemented the wishes of their largest financial donors - banks & big business - and against the wishes of the majority of citizens, and probably to their detriment too.