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Thread: More time for Trollope ?

  1. #1

    More time for Trollope ?

    Am I in the minority of one who believes Trollope could still come good ?

    People are banding about possible replacements and the scenario that they believe Tan is about to leave us high and dry .
    I doubt Tans ego will allow him to be the richest megalomaniac at the lowest point in the league set up , is there a team below us with the supposed wealth of Tan?

    Sometimes in football you need to take a step backwards for two steps forwards and I hope that is what is happening in Cardiff.

  2. #2

    Re: More time for Trollope ?

    It's been just a couple of weeks since they came out with this developing a philosophy business, they are going to look like a right bunch of herberts if they sack him now. I've got a feeling they will give Trollope till the next international break, that's five more games, three home and two away, to start to turn things around, and to give everyone the chance to forget about the "Cardiff Way". In the meantime I wouldn't expect any more statements of support for the manager off them.

  3. #3

    Re: More time for Trollope ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock View Post
    Am I in the minority of one who believes Trollope could still come good ?

    People are banding about possible replacements and the scenario that they believe Tan is about to leave us high and dry .
    I doubt Tans ego will allow him to be the richest megalomaniac at the lowest point in the league set up , is there a team below us with the supposed wealth of Tan?

    Sometimes in football you need to take a step backwards for two steps forwards and I hope that is what is happening in Cardiff.
    You say could come good. Do you actually believe he will come good.

    I don't see any signs whatsoever in improvement.

    To me even one more game is unthinkable. He has to go.

    If he does stay I really hope he proves the huge majority who want him gone including me wrong.

    Has to be sacked while we still have a chance.

  4. #4

    Re: More time for Trollope ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hilts View Post
    You say could come good. Do you actually believe he will come good.

    I don't see any signs whatsoever in improvement.

    To me even one more game is unthinkable. He has to go.

    If he does stay I really hope he proves the huge majority who want him gone including me wrong.

    Has to be sacked while we still have a chance.
    ^^^^^^^^^
    Definitely.

    But I think he'll stay, possibly until Christmas.

  5. #5

    Re: More time for Trollope ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock View Post
    Am I in the minority of one who believes Trollope could still come good ?

    People are banding about possible replacements and the scenario that they believe Tan is about to leave us high and dry .
    I doubt Tans ego will allow him to be the richest megalomaniac at the lowest point in the league set up , is there a team below us with the supposed wealth of Tan?

    Sometimes in football you need to take a step backwards for two steps forwards and I hope that is what is happening in Cardiff.
    We are 23rd in the league and have lost 6 of the last 7 games , how much more time would you give him?

  6. #6

    Re: More time for Trollope ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hilts View Post
    You say could come good. Do you actually believe he will come good.

    I don't see any signs whatsoever in improvement.

    To me even one more game is unthinkable. He has to go.

    If he does stay I really hope he proves the huge majority who want him gone including me wrong.

    Has to be sacked while we still have a chance.
    You specialise in one-line paragraphs. Why? Are you a member of some wacky sect, or what? Your last line is a joke; the club's one point from safety with 35 games left for crying out loud.

  7. #7

    Re: More time for Trollope ?

    Quote Originally Posted by darran1927 View Post
    We are 23rd in the league and have lost 6 of the last 7 games , how much more time would you give him?
    Till xmas . If things haven't improved then the guy has to shuffle along . Look at Leeds, the worst side I have seen in a long time and certainly no better than Cardiff ( I know they beat us but it wasn't because they were a better side) They are knocking on the door of the play offs with that cockeyed eejit in charge .
    Patience is a commodity the modern manager is not offered .

  8. #8
    Blue in the Face
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    Re: More time for Trollope ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock View Post
    Am I in the minority of one who believes Trollope could still come good ?

    People are banding about possible replacements and the scenario that they believe Tan is about to leave us high and dry .
    I doubt Tans ego will allow him to be the richest megalomaniac at the lowest point in the league set up , is there a team below us with the supposed wealth of Tan?

    Sometimes in football you need to take a step backwards for two steps forwards and I hope that is what is happening in Cardiff.
    I'm still with you. Just about. I feel the compounded impact of horrendous transfer activity under the previous three managers means that Trollope inherit perhaps the hardest job in the division.

    I seem to remember there was a unanimous consensus to get rid of Chris Coleman as Wales manager not so long ago. What is different about the Cardiff situation though is that there is far less cause for genuine hope.

    Your last point about steps backwards is a good one. But the descision makers keep making crazy over riding desisions. Attempting to renew the contracts of Whitts and Pilkington, two high earning, under performing, aging players when we don't know what division we'll be in next year is lunacy. Anyone can see our teams primary problem is the lack of pace. So any players who don't have pace, are taking up the opportunity for players to come in who do. The sane thing to have done with the Pilkington/Whitts situation would have been to wait until Xmas at least to see where the team is at.

  9. #9

    Re: More time for Trollope ?

    The thing is, we're not getting any better, decidedly worse if anything. Gone by Christmas unless there's a vast improvement.

  10. #10

    Re: More time for Trollope ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue in the Face View Post
    I'm still with you. Just about. I feel the compounded impact of horrendous transfer activity under the previous three managers means that Trollope inherit perhaps the hardest job in the division.

    I seem to remember there was a unanimous consensus to get rid of Chris Coleman as Wales manager not so long ago. What is different about the Cardiff situation though is that there is far less cause for genuine hope.

    Your last point about steps backwards is a good one. But the descision makers keep making crazy over riding desisions. Attempting to renew the contracts of Whitts and Pilkington, two high earning, under performing, aging players when we don't know what division we'll be in next year is lunacy. Anyone can see our teams primary problem is the lack of pace. So any players who don't have pace, are taking up the opportunity for players to come in who do. The sane thing to have done with the Pilkington/Whitts situation would have been to wait until Xmas at least to see where the team is at.
    Cant agree with you on Pilks/Whitts. Bothroyd / Ledley left for free. At least now we will get a fee if we go down.

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    Re: More time for Trollope ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thoth View Post
    The thing is, we're not getting any better, decidedly worse if anything. Gone by Christmas unless there's a vast improvement.
    That's the problem I have with Trollope, he says the same things after every game about working hard on the training field to put things right and yet we're getting worse by the game - there is nothing at all that you can point at and think that's encouraging, there's a few signs that we can turn this around.

    It seems to me that so many of our problems stem from a wholesale loss of confidence by virtually all of the team - if the cost of finding a new manager is too much for Tan because of a possible breach of the FFP regulations, then, maybe, he should think about getting a good sports psychologist in for these next two weeks.

  12. #12
    Blue in the Face
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    Re: More time for Trollope ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hilts View Post
    Cant agree with you on Pilks/Whitts. Bothroyd / Ledley left for free. At least now we will get a fee if we go down.
    I doubt the wages we would pay would leave any buying club room for a fee. I would hazard a guess it could even be another buying their contracts out situation if we went down. Whitts will be 33 at the start of next season. We could only wish their playing standard and value was up there with Ledley and Bothroyd.

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    Blue in the Face
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    Re: More time for Trollope ?

    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    That's the problem I have with Trollope, he says the same things after every game about working hard on the training field to put things right and yet we're getting worse by the game - there is nothing at all that you can point at and think that's encouraging, there's a few signs that we can turn this around.

    It seems to me that so many of our problems stem from a wholesale loss of confidence by virtually all of the team - if the cost of finding a new manager is too much for Tan because of a possible breach of the FFP regulations, then, maybe, he should think about getting a good sports psychologist in for these next two weeks.
    The second paragraph is great.

    I also think, PT needs to think attack with his starting line up. Whatever the formation, play just one out and out holding player, perhaps O'Keefe. Then the rest of the midfielders should be attack minded. I know he's playing gash, but Immers started the season well playing deeper. And play Harris up top with Lambert!

    Also any midfielder dropping to the centre back position to collect the ball should be subbed immediately.

  14. #14

    Re: More time for Trollope ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue in the Face View Post
    The second paragraph is great.

    I also think, PT needs to think attack with his starting line up. Whatever the formation, play just one out and out holding player, perhaps O'Keefe. Then the rest of the midfielders should be attack minded. I know he's playing gash, but Immers started the season well playing deeper. And play Harris up top with Lambert!

    Also any midfielder dropping to the centre back position to collect the ball should be subbed immediately.
    You do know we can only make three substitutions ?

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    Blue in the Face
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    Re: More time for Trollope ?

    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    You do know we can only make three substitutions ?
    Very good

  16. #16

    Re: More time for Trollope ?

    I think that Tan feels his investment in City is not recoverable and has given up on the club. Unless he walks away, it will be cheaper for him if we're in League 1 than in the Championship. If Trollope is still here after the international break then clearly this is exactly his intention.

  17. #17

    Re: More time for Trollope ?

    The problem is we are trying to change the behaviors of good to middling players , Louis van Gaal tried to change the same at Utd with much more skilled whose abilities far exceed ours , his project failed , do our players have the ability or flexibility to cope ??

    The one thing LVG did try and it worked is blooding youngsters, who do seem much more adaptable in this modern game ,Jose should thank him .

    Bring in some u23's I say to shake it up.

  18. #18

    Re: More time for Trollope ?

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    The problem is we are trying to change the behaviors of good to middling players , Louis van Gaal tried to change the same at Utd with much more skilled whose abilities far exceed ours , his project failed , do our players have the ability or flexibility to cope ??

    The one thing LVG did try and it worked is blooding youngsters, who do seem much more adaptable in this modern game ,Jose should thank him .

    Bring in some u23's I say to shake it up.
    There would be more desire hopefully.What do we have to lose

  19. #19

    Re: More time for Trollope ?

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    The problem is we are trying to change the behaviors of good to middling players , Louis van Gaal tried to change the same at Utd with much more skilled whose abilities far exceed ours , his project failed , do our players have the ability or flexibility to cope ??

    The one thing LVG did try and it worked is blooding youngsters, who do seem much more adaptable in this modern game ,Jose should thank him .

    Bring in some u23's I say to shake it up.

    Your last sentance would justify having an academy

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