Reply With QuoteOriginally Posted by blue matt
To be fair that is exactly the case in reverse of those who said he was innocent originally no?
| + Visit Cardiff FC for Latest News, Transfer Gossip, Fixtures and Match Results |
So now we see the people who were all " he is a rapist, a jury found him guilty, so thats it, end of " Ched evans the rapist " now bitching about the 2nd jury being wrong and the first lot right
The whole case looked dodgy right from the start
Justice has been done imho
To be fair that is exactly the case in reverse of those who said he was innocent originally no?
How do you work that out, when he testified first time around, said he didn't rape her yet Evans still got convicted.
I expected blue matt to be the first "I told you so"
McDonald ( yay, got name right... ) wasn't the one telling porkies to get a key to the room, wasn't the one who claimed McDonald asked for consent for him to join in as he didn't speak to the woman ( "It wasn't the time for conversation" ). Nor did McDonald leave via the fire exit. That in itself doesn't look great for Ched.
My point is, Ched in his testimony directly stated McDonald asked for consent on his behalf. McDonald testifies, backs that up. So, why didn't the defence call a direct witness who could benefit their case immensely? Doesn't that sound a bit odd? Why would they not call the other person present in the room? New witnesses not present on the night in question ( half brother excepted, who didn't testify in first trial ) but not McDonald?
But you suggested Macdonald could definitely get him off. That's clearly not the case as he testified first time around and he didn't get Evans off.
Additionally Character witnesses have long been a part of British court cases, this one is no different.
Definitely. Here you've got a young girl who didn't claim rape, two blokes who said they had sex with consent and then the Police.
3 people in that room and not one of them claimed rape, yet this whole mess comes about. Bizarre or inept with zero winners.
I am pretty sure that McDonald said that the woman consented to ched getting involved during the original trial, that made no difference then so why would it now?
And now we see the people who were all "the jury was wrong he's definitely innocent" the jury found him guilty but justice hasn't been served are now saying the opinion of the jury is spot on?
In my opinion hes a bit of a scum bag but I'm not sure you can say he's a rapist based on the evidence.
First time around it was a joint trial, I do believe? ( Happy to be proven wrong ). That would somewhat affect the weighting of his comments?
The point remains that this trial was about consent. If Ched testifies McDonald asked if Ched could join in, then Ched's testimony is bolstered if McDonald backs that up otherwise it's a hanging question based purely on Ched's words - given other things in the trial, ie admitting a caution relating to an insurance claim on a mobile phone question his honesty.
Were the new witnesses really character witnesses? Nobody has answered how those two knew they'd allegedly slept with the same woman in this case without her identity having been revealed - admittedly we know one side had been leaking it in the past.
I jut find there's plenty that came up as his defence that is highly questionable; the problem with rape cases is that the bar to *prove* in cases like this is almost impossibly high. As I said, imo the Scottish thing of "Not Proven" could well be a more accurate outcome in this case.
Yes her asking them to "**** her harder" was so unique and a dead giveaway. How could they both have possibly come up with that unique sexual phrase.
By having contact with each other and agreeing on phrases, positions, attitude. Not an impossibility.Yes her asking them to "**** her harder" was so unique and a dead giveaway. How could they both have possibly come up with that unique sexual phrase.
to be fair to me, right from the start i have said the case was dodgy, I have argued that fact all along
Can we now have her name and mugshot to see the filthy gog slapper
The outcome of the first trial was dodgy but so is the outcome of the retrial.
Evans comes across as a liar. He says he had sex with her but left straight after because he had started to think about his girlfriend. Yeah right.
Why leave via fire escape?
Why did the retrial involve two men who had previous sexual relations with this girl? I don't see the relevance here.
Why did Evans even go to the hotel in the first place? He knew his mate had pulled so what was his motivation for going there? It has to be to have sex in my view.
All very dubious.
Going to a hotel to have sex is not a criminal offence. And you are also forgetting that at no time did the girl say she was raped. It was the Police who decided to prosecute for some inexplicable reason.
The girl didn't even claim it was rape apparently.
The police forced this.
No DNA evidence. No crime scene.
Just guesswork based off drinking. That is it.
Well done Ched. I always stuck up for you bruv.
Facking slag trying it on.
INNOCENT
So many people on here were very very harsh and I hope they stand up and admit they were wrong. It doesn't make Ched a good man but he is an innocent man.
Thick, ignorant and sexist. Living up to your usual reputation at least
Innocent has connotations to suggest that he's done nothing wrong. Ched has been found not guilty but has also been called callous and said to acted with serious contempt for another human.
I am saddened to see a number of people commenting by (looking at wider platforms) insulting the woman involved in this.
Fuk sake.
"Ched Evans was wrongfully convicted we must fight this injustice"
"Ched Evans was found innocent by a court so thats that"
I take it you're firmly in option 2?
I bet LC is devastated.
Ennis has offered to name her next kid after Ched as way of an apology.
Hats off to her.
He may be innocent but he's still a deeply depraved individual who I will still hold in contempt. People rejoicing like this is some kind of victory for themselves and Wales are cringeworthy.
Posting Permissions