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Thread: The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...

  1. #61

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loramski View Post
    Harris scored with his first touch after coming on as sub.

    http://www.thefa.com/news/2016/nov/1...-report-121116
    Thanks for that, great victory that, shame it was preceded by a 2-0 loss to Greece. Still, with England facing Greece in their final game, we've put oursleves in a position where we must have a real chance of making it through to the next stage of the competition as long as we do the business against Luxembourg.

  2. #62

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Here's my blog piece on the Under 18s match.

    http://mauveandyellowarmy.net/
    "City kids open the Donald Trump era with a win" It's hard to not think about isn't it?

    Question on Spence as I know he's very young (16?). How is he shaping up physically? Can you envisage him being able to cope with DVP footy this season?

    Quote Originally Posted by Loramski View Post
    Harris scored with his first touch after coming on as sub.

    http://www.thefa.com/news/2016/nov/1...-report-121116
    Brilliant win. I suppose it helps that we've purged all the best talent from the opposition.

    Harris seems to be progressing at quite a rate. It doesn't matter how good you are at 14/15/16. The youth players to look out for usually tend to be the one's that really progress when approaching adulthood. Signs are good.

  3. #63

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    Hi Bob

    I watched the 18s game yesterday and whilst agree completely that they were hanging on at the end, I think they were worthy winners cos they completely dominated the first half hour of the 2nd half.

    I agree with you about Spence. My only question mark about him is that he seems to lack the belief and arrogance to push him on to the next level.

  4. #64

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehumblegringo View Post
    Hi Bob

    I watched the 18s game yesterday and whilst agree completely that they were hanging on at the end, I think they were worthy winners cos they completely dominated the first half hour of the 2nd half.

    I agree with you about Spence. My only question mark about him is that he seems to lack the belief and arrogance to push him on to the next level.
    Spence does seem a bit quiet on the pitch Gringo, but I get the feeling he is someone who has an inner belief in himself because of the type of player he is - while he strikes me as very much a team player, he is also willing, and mostly able, to try something out of the ordinary now and again.

    The Development team are currently in action away to an in form Millwall team with the sort of line up we've come to expect from them;-

    https://twitter.com/cardiffcitydvp?lang=en

  5. #65

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    This afternoon's match finished 1-1 with Eli Phipps scoring a second half equaliser.

  6. #66

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    This afternoon's match finished 1-1 with Eli Phipps scoring a second half equaliser.
    A decent result this as Millwall had won their last five. Rollin Menayese was sent off, along with a Millwall player, late in the game after an 'altercation'.

    http://www.millwallfc.co.uk/news/art...-3416797.aspx?

    I'd be interested to know how we set up here. With Rees, Tutonda, Blaise, Menayese, Baker and James all playing, at least one of them must have been playing out of position. I've wondered before on here why Tom James hasn't been tried out as a centre-midfielder and that would seem to be the most likely explanation here with him sitting in front of a back five. He's an excellent passer of the ball and would obviously have defensive capabilities too so I'd see him as an effective version of Whitts in that position.

  7. #67

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loramski View Post
    A decent result this as Millwall had won their last five. Rollin Menayese was sent off, along with a Millwall player, late in the game after an 'altercation'.

    http://www.millwallfc.co.uk/news/art...-3416797.aspx?

    I'd be interested to know how we set up here. With Rees, Tutonda, Blaise, Menayese, Baker and James all playing, at least one of them must have been playing out of position. I've wondered before on here why Tom James hasn't been tried out as a centre-midfielder and that would seem to be the most likely explanation here with him sitting in front of a back five. He's an excellent passer of the ball and would obviously have defensive capabilities too so I'd see him as an effective version of Whitts in that position.
    I wouldn't be surprised if Tutonda played more as a winger.

  8. #68

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    I wouldn't be surprised if Tutonda played more as a winger.
    If we played a back four, yes, but that would still mean someone else would've had to play midfield. Maybe Rees on the other side but trying to convert two full-backs to midfielders at the same time would seem a bit drastic. No point in speculating really but I find it interesting how things get mixed up at that level without any drastic effect on results or performances. It's probably just routine and common sense to someone like Nicholson to change systems and move players around but it still takes a bit of getting used to after the succession of one-dimensional managers (Ole apart) we've had at first team level.

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    Menayese can play holding midfielder too so he may have not been in defense (when he was on the pitch). I pray for the Millwall lad who went up against him as he is likely to have taken a steam Rollin.

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    u18s are away to Swansea tomorrow (Sunday the 20th) in the FAW cup for those who can make it. The game starts at 2pm is at Landore (apparently, but double check!).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue in the Face View Post
    u18s are away to Swansea tomorrow (Sunday the 20th) in the FAW cup for those who can make it. The game starts at 2pm is at Landore (apparently, but double check!).
    Apparently the game is streaming live on Welsh FA Facebook page if anyone wishes to watch it.

  12. #72

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue in the Face View Post
    Menayese can play holding midfielder too so he may have not been in defense (when he was on the pitch). I pray for the Millwall lad who went up against him as he is likely to have taken a steam Rollin.
    Have now seen a highlights video of the match on Cardiff City World and it looked to me as if Blaise was playing in a holding midfield role. Also, it would appear that Menayese's sending off was a case of mistaken identity because it was Blaise who was involved in the initial incident and Rollin only joined in later.

  13. #73

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Have now seen a highlights video of the match on Cardiff City World and it looked to me as if Blaise was playing in a holding midfield role. Also, it would appear that Menayese's sending off was a case of mistaken identity because it was Blaise who was involved in the initial incident and Rollin only joined in later.
    Yes you're right! How cringeworthy is that? Would love to see that ref justify that kind of mistake on MOTD.

    Quote Originally Posted by thehumblegringo View Post
    Apparently the game is streaming live on Welsh FA Facebook page if anyone wishes to watch it.
    Awesome, thanks for the info Gringo! I really hope they do, as it's been ages since I've been able to watch a full u18s game...

    https://www.facebook.com/FAWales/

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    I'm down Treforest watching the kids play.
    The u10s played four games Cardiff won three and the other was a draw.
    The u12s just won 2-1.
    The u13s are currently winning 1-0

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    Lost 3-0.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geraint! View Post
    Lost 3-0.
    I couldn't find the stream on the FAW website but reading the twitter feed we were doing really well until a defensive mix up cost the second goal.
    It was always gonna be an uphill struggle as we have a few stronger u19s out on loan (Bird, Humphries etc) but hopefully it will prepare the boys for Chelsea away!

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehumblegringo View Post
    I couldn't find the stream on the FAW website but reading the twitter feed we were doing really well until a defensive mix up cost the second goal.
    It was always gonna be an uphill struggle as we have a few stronger u19s out on loan (Bird, Humphries etc) but hopefully it will prepare the boys for Chelsea away!
    Just watched a highlights package on the jacks website and there was more coverage of attacks by us rather than them until it got to 2-0. The first goal may have prevented if the City wall had jumped, while the second one was a shocker as the centrebacks and keeper made a right mess of what was just a straightforward long punt down the middle.

    Nevertheless, this result means that the jacks are now, almost certainly, going to win their eighth successive Welsh Youth Cup - what an indictment of our Academy that is.
    Last edited by the other bob wilson; 21-11-16 at 06:45.

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    I've spoken to a mate who went to the game and he tells me that we were far the better side and dominated between the 1st and 2nd goals creating a host of chances.
    The second goal was a disgrace and I'd be pissed of if an under 12 side conceded that.

    There are many positives to take from this team at the moment.
    As Warnock said last week, Harris is not far away, and Welch must be close to knocking on the door too.

    Apparently the best player on the pitch yesterday was q5 year old Sion Spence so I take heart that even though we lost there were a lot of positives without Bird and Humphries who would have made a difference.

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    I'm not having a go at the current side too much Gringo because the truth is that Swansea have moved past us now at youth level and the result, or score, yesterday didn't surprise me at all. My beef is that this situation has been allowed to happen over an eight year period where the jacks have completely dominated the only club tournament that can go someway towards measuring the strengths of Welsh clubs at Under 19 level. For the first five or six years of that period, we were on an equal footing with the jacks and I saw us beat them at various levels (including a 6-1 win at Under 18 level) yet they always seemed to get the better of us in the games that really counted - maybe this good group of Under 16s we have will redress the balance a bit, but we've stopped producing our own first team players and that cannot all be blamed on Russell Slade because that was the case before he came along.

    Anyway, just to say that the Development team game against QPR at Cardiff City Stadium (kick off 7 o clock) still looks to be on

    https://twitter.com/CardiffCityDVP?r...Ctwgr%5Eauthor

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    Tonight's team;-

    O'Reilly, Baker, Tutonda, Huws, Ajayi, James, O'Sullivan, Wharton, Zohore, Immers, John

    Rees, Coughlan, Southam, Skapetis, Weymans

    Skapetis is a new name to me, I presume it's this bloke

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...toke-City.html

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    Re: The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...

    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Tonight's team;-

    O'Reilly, Baker, Tutonda, Huws, Ajayi, James, O'Sullivan, Wharton, Zohore, Immers, John

    Rees, Coughlan, Southam, Skapetis, Weymans

    Skapetis is a new name to me, I presume it's this bloke

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...toke-City.html
    Interesting. I had a quick look on Skapetis' twitter - and although he doesn't use it much there is a tweet from June that says: Been hit hard with injury over the last 2 years but I know what I'm capable of and what I'm heading towards. A 300k fee for a QPR reserve striker is fairly serious money. I assume he has now been released by Stoke and Warnock has taken him on some sort of short term contract for a look?

    The rest of the side is strong, with Immers, Huws, Ajayi, John etc starting. I don't recognise any names in the QPR team - except Finney - so maybe they're not using this fixture as a training match for first team squad players?
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    4 - 0 win for Cardiff u23s:

    21 - Zahore
    55 - Zahore
    58 - Skapetis
    81 - Ajeyi

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    Interesting. I had a quick look on Skapetis' twitter - and although he doesn't use it much there is a tweet from June that says: Been hit hard with injury over the last 2 years but I know what I'm capable of and what I'm heading towards. A 300k fee for a QPR reserve striker is fairly serious money. I assume he has now been released by Stoke and Warnock has taken him on some sort of short term contract for a look?

    The rest of the side is strong, with Immers, Huws, Ajayi, John etc starting. I don't recognise any names in the QPR team - except Finney - so maybe they're not using this fixture as a training match for first team squad players?
    Skapetis came on and scored in a 4-0 win, didn't stand out though. Zohore scored two goals on the break, the second finish was classy after a poor first touch had taken him close to the keeper. The usual hit and miss stuff from him but no shortage of effort again. Ashley Baker impressed at right back, Semi Ajayi hardly put a foot wrong and got the final goal, Theo Wharton got some good tackles in and had a tidy game.

    A lot more big clearances than usual at DVP level but, to be fair, there was also some excellent counter-attacking football which, I suppose, justified being prepared to give possession away in that fashion. Weird to see a City team breaking in numbers, unique even.

  24. #84

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    Only just read your comments Loramski, but they tie in almost exactly with mine - here's my piece on last night's match.

    http://mauveandyellowarmy.net/

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Just watched a highlights package on the jacks website and there was more coverage of attacks by us rather than them until it got to 2-0. The first goal may have prevented if the City wall had jumped, while the second one was a shocker as the centrebacks and keeper made a right mess of what was just a straightforward long punt down the middle.

    Nevertheless, this result means that the jacks are now, almost certainly, going to win their eighth successive Welsh Youth Cup - what an indictment of our Academy that is.
    It is a disappointing stat that Swansea have won it 8 years in a row but it doesn't change the fact that they were heavy favourites on Sunday and by all accounts we were by far the better side until a ridiculous defensive error cost us the second goal.

    To bring some perspective, Swansea had 6 u21s in their starting line up on Sunday while I think we had 3. Possibly our two strongest players who would be u19 are out on loan at Weston so are ineligible to play.

    We also had a 15 year old in Sion Spence not only starting but by all accounts (according to mate who is a Jack) was the best player on the pitch!

    Swansea played the lad Joe Rodon who has been in the first team squad and is the next big thing down there and as a club they have been in a position to pay 250k to Hull academy to take Daniel James off their hands as a 16 year old.

    We can just about pay 250k for a first team player these days.

    We all know that the club has been mismanaged in recent years and that the academy has been largely forgotten about by first team managers since Sam Hamman left to be fair but there are many reasons to be optimistic at the moment.

    The u18s have got one or two players training with the first team and for the first team in a long time are in serious contention for getting into Warnock's squad.

    Under them we have kids like Spence and Bowen and would have had Matondo but his departure was out of the clubs control.

    I went to Treforest on Sunday and watched Cardiff's younger kids beat Swansea convincingly at u10s u12s and u13s level on Sunday and we had the best players on the pitch at all those levels on Sunday. Apparently the 9s won too and the u11s drew but a few of their better players were playing up for the u12s.

    I know all these kids are way way off affecting the first team at present but it just highlights that as an academy we are still more than competing despite the amount of money and category one status and Swansea's scatter gun approach in the valleys at the moment.

    We are in decent shape at youth level Bob and having read Warnock's biography I believe if the kids are good enough they'll get their chance.

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    My lad's team made it through to the Quarter Finals after a 3-0 win against Llanelli. They've got Bangor City in the next round, thankfully at home. Cambrian & Clydach play some great football and are top of Welsh Prem Development League (South) and according to the UEFA have the best academy in Wales (away from the big 3).
    Our under 17's played the Swans Under 16s at the start of the season, drawing 1-1 - I really wasn't impressed by the Jacks and found that Cardiff have far better teams at that age group and below.

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    I've not got the time at the moment, but I'll try to reply to the points made in the last two posts later on. In the mean time, it appears that our coach Jarred Harvey agrees with the Swansea fan Gringo talked to about Sion Spence - here's what he had to say about Sion's performance;-

    "There are certainly many positives take from this game including a number of good performances from our apprentices. But I must mention Sion Spence, the youngest player of the pitch, who was outstanding today showing superb creativity and composure in the midfield at such a young age, and was an absolute joy to watch."

    Read more at http://www.cardiffcityfc.co.uk/news/...AWYwtxQWoVd.99

    I thought he was our best player when I watched the Under 18s ten days ago against Colchester and it's very encouraging that Sion appears to not just be playing well, but also playing consistently as a 15 year old against lads three and four years older than him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    I've not got the time at the moment, but I'll try to reply to the points made in the last two posts later on. In the mean time, it appears that our coach Jarred Harvey agrees with the Swansea fan Gringo talked to about Sion Spence - here's what he had to say about Sion's performance;-

    "There are certainly many positives take from this game including a number of good performances from our apprentices. But I must mention Sion Spence, the youngest player of the pitch, who was outstanding today showing superb creativity and composure in the midfield at such a young age, and was an absolute joy to watch."

    Read more at http://www.cardiffcityfc.co.uk/news/...AWYwtxQWoVd.99

    I thought he was our best player when I watched the Under 18s ten days ago against Colchester and it's very encouraging that Sion appears to not just be playing well, but also playing consistently as a 15 year old against lads three and four years older than him.
    If he continues his development then how long will it be before the Man City scouts or others start sniffing around. It is quite depressing that until we can get Category 1 Academy status then the likelihood of having another Aaron Ramsey breaking into the First Team is quite remote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueToujours View Post
    If he continues his development then how long will it be before the Man City scouts or others start sniffing around. It is quite depressing that until we can get Category 1 Academy status then the likelihood of having another Aaron Ramsey breaking into the First Team is quite remote.
    Scouts have already sniffed around mate and i believe he turned them down to stay here.

  30. #90

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Only just read your comments Loramski, but they tie in almost exactly with mine - here's my piece on last night's match.

    http://mauveandyellowarmy.net/
    Yes, it does feel like there's a real significance to these games now. I thought it interesting that the game was played at all, I'm sure the club wouldn't have wanted two games in three days on a wet pitch and would have wanted it moved or postponed but there was obviously an importance attached to it as Rowberry was doing the coaching again while Nicholson and Johnson spent most of the night sat in what looked like naughty chairs behind the dug-out.

    On saying that, I wonder what the first-team significance was last night? A look at John as a left winger? Unlikely as he got switched to left back at half time. Another chance for Immers and to impress and a chance to look at Skapetis? Yes to both but the way we set up and played may have been more meaningful. Very close to a Slade type 4-4-2 with the ball being regularly hoofed out of defence didn't bode well early on but there was method to the madness. The first goal was stunning, the second and third weren't goals we see at first team level either.

    I'm assuming that the switch to a midfield four was largely to have a look at Huws alongside a central midfield partner and while he wasn't stunning he has an energy and a desire to get forward that Whitts hasn't got coupled with a range of passing that Ralls doesn't have for now. He was involved in a lot of the breaks and other good stuff we did, he didn't go missing when QPR had the ball either. Food for thought for Warnock if he's looking to get away from the current 4-1-4-1 that Huws doesn't seem to fit into.

    One other thing. If the first team were set up to play like that, who would we use up front? While Zohore is rightly fourth choice for now, surely Lambert, Fred and Chamakh would all have needed jet packs to have kept up with the breaks last night. I don't know much about Newport but get the impression that Jon Parkin's injury has led to them playing a counter-attacking game which has suited Rhys Healey perfectly. If we want to change to that type of game, have we got the style and quality of forward to make it work?

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