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No,no and no.
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I'm sure the vid below has been posted loads of times around here as it's only a minute long. In it retired general Wesley Clark tells how he was told in 2001 that Iraq would be attacked for no reason and there was a hit-list of other countries (Libya, Iran, Syria, Sudan) to be taken down within five years. They're behind schedule but sticking with the plan. In another vid he suggests it was decided in 1991, and that the US government was ran by neocons - three of whom he named: Wolfowitz, Cheney and Rumsfeld.
No,no and no.
Yes, yes and yes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-400_missile_system
Decision day tomorrow?
Exclusive: Obama, aides expected to weigh Syria military options on Friday - http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mi...-idUSKCN12D2B2
- Friday's planned meeting is the latest in a long series of internal debates about what, if anything, to do to end a 5-1/2 year civil war that has killed at least 300,000 people and displaced half the country's population.
The ultimate aim of any new action could be to bolster the battered moderate rebels so they can weather what is now widely seen as the inevitable fall of rebel-held eastern Aleppo to the forces of Russian- and Iranian-backed Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. -
https://www.sprottmoney.com/blog/the...f-nielson.html
The March to World War III - Jeff Nielson
October 13, 2016
The Next Crash is coming. Equity markets (especially U.S. markets) have been pumped up to bubble levels. Bond markets (especially the U.S. bond market) have been pumped up to absurd, bubble levels – and it isn’t even supposed to be possible to have a stock bubble and a bond bubble simultaneously. It is yet another symptom of the hyperinflationary insanity and monetary criminality of the grossly excessive currency-creation by Western central banks.
Equally, real estate markets across the entire Western world are at near all-time bubble highs. There is no more profit to be made by the banking crime syndicate continuing to inflate the bubbles to more absurd proportions, or simply maintaining valuations at present levels. A reset is required, so that the One Bank can then begin its next bubble-and-crash cycle.
Because of this reality, readers were previously presented with the pattern we have seen with the last, two bubble-and-crash cycles. They were approximately 8 years long, and the “crash” was triggered near the end of the U.S. political cycle: in the late stages of an incumbent regime, responsible for nearly the entire length of the cycle. The outgoing regime was fingered as the scapegoat for the crash, so that the Big Banks and central banks did not attract such criticism to themselves, while the incoming regime was hailed as a White Knight, riding to the rescue.
The crime syndicate itself must always appear blameless in these bubble-and-crash cycles, or it would be subjected to much greater scrutiny in future business cycles. Indeed, the entire concept of a “business cycle” is more propaganda fantasy from the Corporate media (and its banker overlords). There is nothing at all normal about our economies racing along in a permanent economic roller-coaster ride, surging to a peak one year, plunging to a trough in a subsequent year.
When our economies had honest money, when the gold standard prevented the excessive creation of banker currency, and prevented excessive indebtedness by our governments, we did not have regular economic peaks and valleys. Nations could go decades between any serious downturn in the economy, while economic growth was at a low, but stable/sustainable rate.
When crashes did occur, they were invariably the creation of the Big Banks themselves (and their oligarch masters). The Big Banks would, simultaneously, cut off all new credit, while calling in as many loans as possible, in order to create a sharp contraction in the amount of capital available to fuel these capitalist economies. Deprive a capitalist economy of capital, and you create a recession, or (if taken to a great enough extreme) a depression.
So-called “business cycles” are nothing but crime cycles, the bubble-and-crash crimes of the One Bank. Yet it has now (deliberately) refused to detonate these bubbles in line with its recent pattern. It has now passed any convenient window for an economic-based detonation of our markets/economies.
With the U.S. election now weeks away, any economic and market crash would attract blame to both the incoming and outgoing regime. If a Republican was elected, it would further tarnish the image of both parties in the eyes of the Zombie Electorate. If a Democrat was elected, it would attract extreme anger among the electorate toward the Democrats, as they would represent both the incoming and outgoing government – 100% responsible for any economic-based crash. Both of those scenarios lead to the worst nightmare of the banking crime syndicate: the possible rise of an independent and popular Third Party in the U.S. political landscape.
It now appears apparent that the trigger for the Next Crash will not be economic in nature and, instead, we move to the next most-likely scenario: a geopolitical trigger for this economic reset. There are two reasons for drawing this conclusion. First of all, as was apparent in the most-recent U.S. political debate, the Corporate media has now openly sided with Hillary Clinton.
Some of Donald Trump’s past reprehensible behavior was trotted out, and transformed (via media hype) into a scandal. Simultaneously, the crimes which Hillary Clinton is known to have committed in her dubious political career are being downplayed. The moderator in the latest pseudo-debate was openly and obviously confrontational toward Trump, beyond any pretense of neutrality .
In this contest between a boorish, bigoted oaf like Trump, and a power-hungry, law-breaking schemer like Clinton, there is no lesser of evils . The only voting option which should not be totally repugnant to voters is to cast their vote for some Third Party choice, or simply to abstain. Imagine if the oligarchs staged one of their crooked elections, and no one showed up!
Instead, barring some unpredictable reversing of the political pendulum, the oligarchs have made their choice: Queen Hillary. And this takes us back to the Next Crash, and the second reason why the One Bank will apparently choose a geopolitical trigger. How do the banksters prevent a three-term Democrat government from becoming totally despised by U.S. voters (even more than the Republicans)?
Though the oligarchs control both parties, it is crucial to them that both parties remain in existence as credible choices, so that the United States can still pretend to be “a democracy”. This Next Crash must and will be a more economically devastating event than any previous downturn in our lifetime, because our economies have already been hollowed-out to the verge of implosion.
Being the political scapegoat for such an event would completely destroy the Democrat party, or at least banish it from power for decades. With then only one choice, voters would soon become equally disgusted with the Republicans, as they would become 100% responsible for all future economic deterioration.
For these reasons, it is important that Queen Clinton and the rest of her regime have an external Boogeyman who can/will be blamed as the source of the Next Crash. While it is still possible that this triggering event could be another “terrorist” false-flag event of great magnitude, one has to doubt that the oligarchs would have the audacity to attempt to perpetrate a second “9/11”.
Enter Russia. For three years; the U.S. government and Corporate media have engaged in a relentless campaign of demonizing Russia, all at the request of the banker overlords. Read the idiotic drivel churned out by the propaganda machine, and one would believe that Russia was/is at the root of almost all global evils. The perverse irony is, of course, that it is the One Bank itself which is at the root of almost all global evils.
The anti-Russia propaganda is only exceeded in its quantity by its absurdity. The various facets of this anti-Russia propaganda have been documented (and dismissed) in an equally relentless manner by the superb insights of Paul Craig Roberts, most recently a week ago . These political attacks against Russia came immediately after the U.S. government (and the bankers themselves) engaged in an all-out effort to attempt to destroy Russia’s economy .
They failed, so Plan B appears to be to make Russia the scapegoat for the Next War, as the official cause of the Next Crash. Of course starting a war isn’t being planned by the banksters solely to provide political cover for their Democrat and/or Republican lackeys. War is also very good for business, and a world war is even better for business. That’s why they have staged two world wars, in a span of just over a century.
Current sabre-rattling by the psychopathic Neo-cons is more extreme than anything seen in our lifetime, even more extreme than the fraudulent demonizing of Iraq, which led to the U.S.’s fraudulent invasion of Iraq. The latest nonsense is accusations of cyber-terrorism against Russia.
It’s impossible to ever prove that a cyber-attack against the U.S. government actually took place, thus equally, it is impossible for any accusation target to prove that it wasn’t responsible (for an “attack” which probably never even took place).
The world’s only cyber-terrorists are the Thugs of the U.S. government.
Over the last three years; the U.S. government and the pathetic parrots of the mainstream media have accused Russia of any and every transgression possible, save for (perhaps) kicking puppies or molesting children. One must strongly suspect that all these lies and innuendo had (and have) a purpose. And the most likely purpose – by far – is the orchestration of World War III.
Perhaps you can quote the bits that say it can hit ships and has a range of 1500 miles
Under missiles = 'Antiaircraft missile system, designed to destroy aircraft, cruise and ballistic missiles, it can also be used against ground objectives.[44]
The Antey-2500 missile has 1,500 mile range but goes in the older S-300, also deployed in Syria I believe.
Seen it now,I would guess it would only work against fixed ground targets and I can't remember seeing a land based aircraft carrier yet.
As for the antey 2500-
The Antey-2500 complex is the export version developed separately from the S-300 family and has been exported to Venezuela for an estimated export price of 1 billion dollars. The system has one type of missile in two versions, basic and amended with a sustainer stage that doubles the range (up to 200 km (120 mi), according to other data up to 250 km (160 mi)) and can simultaneously engage up to 24 aircraft or 16 ballistic targets in various combinations.
And Russia has an estimated 1,700 nuclear warheads, some of them hypersonic.
Out of curiosity, is this your field of expertise or interest / both?
Who is he fooling? Everybody is saying he must go. Him, Gaddafi, Saddam, Trump and Jeremy Corbyn are all evil, it's on the news every day
I think people have very short memories, or even shorter if they can't remember that only last year defence minister Earl Howe told Parliament that the government ‘would seek further Parliamentary approval before UK aircraft conducted air strikes in Syria’ another blatant lie because they were already secretly doing it, I would love a reason to trust them but I just can't find one.
This no longer apply old timer?
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.php...=1#post4658504I'm amazed that posters are repeating stuff found at the Wikipedia site which they mistakenly believe is authoritative. It's another Mossad controlled disinformation outlet. The gullibility and insidiousness of some contributors is breathtaking.
I'm bye no means an expert but I've always had an interest in weapons,warfare and the men who fight them.what irks me is the way russias fanbois cream themselves and lie over the capabilities of its latest untried wunderwaffe.
This is really the case of better the devil you know.Who is he fooling? Everybody is saying he must go. Him, Gaddafi, Saddam, Trump and Jeremy Corbyn are all evil, it's on the news every day
Assad dropped chlorine and other chemical weapons on civilian towns.
Peoples attempt to claim he is a good man are ludicrous.
Shall we go into Saddams war crimes?. He deserved to die a horrible death.
Corbyn is irrelevant. Most know he is decent man, with questionable linkage to certain group.
Those of you who believe all this evil Assad nonsense are being taken for fools. Those of you who believe all this stuff about chemical and gas attacks on his own people probably also believed that Saddam Hussein had "weapons of mass destruction". You were lied to then and you are being lied to now. For Christ's sake when are you going to start thinking for yourselves? When are you going to realise that phrases like "weapons of mass destruction" and "attacked his own people" are deliberately used to encourage numb brained conformity?
I used a newspaper archive to examine the history of the phrase "weapons of mass destruction". Although it was first used in the early part of the 20th century, the first modern use of the phrase was by Menachem Begin. He used it in 1981 to justify the illegal bombing of a nuclear reactor that was being built in Iran by French engineers. The French complained and they proved that the reactor could never have been used to create weapons. Nevertheless Begin justified the attack by saying "On no account shall we permit an enemy to develop weapons of mass destruction against the people of Israel." That phrase has since been used to justify many illegal acts by the US and Britain.
The "chemical weapons on his own people" lie has been exposed everywhere except in the media read and watched by numbed brain types.
http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/01/2...weapons-claim/
If you really want to understand what is going on then you need to be reading people like Seymour Hersh. He is the Jewish American journalist who exposed the My Lai Massacre.
If you read about some outrage in Syria or anyway else when the outrage is going to have some influence on a vote or a decision about going to war then you've got to ask yourself who has most to gain from the consequence of the outrage. If the timing of the outrage doesn't suit the supposed instigator then you need to consider the possibility of a "false flag" operation. This conversation between the Turkish Foreign Minister and the Head of Turkish Intelligence show that these false flag attacks are real. They are not all invented by conspiratorialists.
https://www.corbettreport.com/turkey...ot-being-told/
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/turkey-yout...icials-1442161
Last edited by David Vincent; 14-10-16 at 11:45.
I don't care about WMD's, in the slightest. Saddam killed hundreds of thousands of people during the Iran War. Gassing his own population and Kurds. The Gulf war. He deserved to die. And should have been killed far earlier.
WMD's have zero affect on my opinion in the middle east, as it is universally accepted to be a lie.
I do think for myself, thank you.
The authors concluded that sarin gas “could not possibly have been fired at East Ghouta from the ‘heart’, or from the Eastern edge, of the Syrian government controlled area shown in the intelligence map published by the White House on August 30, 2013.”
One example, really? "Possible". “Possible Implications of Faulty US Technical Intelligence,”
Is that thinking for yourself?.
Based on the firing range and troop locations on August 21, the authors conclude that all possible launching points within the 2 km radius were in rebel-held areas.
Rebel held areas. That is correct evidence that no strike was made. Again, this is one example.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ngress-to-hear
"Syria doesn't use chemical weapons" "Then why did they agree to destroy them but didn't a few years ago".......
We all take our opinions from articles online. We have to put faith in the people we read. I vary who I read hugely. And I do not think that I can claim Assad is a good man, and that syrias army has done nothing wrong as you suggest.
Searching for evidence that counters mass media is not thinking for yourself. Finding a balanced opinion between the two is. As not all mass media (whatever that is? when does media become mass?) is corrupt.
Last edited by LordKenwyne; 14-10-16 at 12:01.
1. Arrogance. They are always fact-seekers, questioners, people who are trying to discover the truth: sceptics are always "sheep", patsies for Messrs Bush and Blair etc.
The evidence seems to show that Saddam used chemical warfare against his enemies. For example, he attacked the Kurds in the Halabja chemical attack. But who do you think the Americans blamed for the Halabja attack? They blamed Iran. They knew Saddam did it but because they wanted to send Iran to the naughty chair the official line was that it was a crime committed by the Iranian Government. They were not interested in the truth then and they are not interested in the truth now. They want Assad out and they will go along with any lie that suits them.
You seem to be suggesting that Saddam should have been killed anyway for the deaths in the Iran War. Are you saying that the leader of any country that starts a war which leads to the deaths of "hundreds of thousands of people" should be executed? Does that include Blair and Bush?
You might not have been swayed by the WMD argument but our MPs believed it and that influenced their votes. They were taken in by a lie.
I don't beat my wife, but if a policemen knocked on my door and said unless you agree not to beat your wife I will arrest you then I would say "I agree". Syria's agreement to destroy chemical weapons can be seen in the same light. As far as I know there is no proof that Assad has used chemical weapons, but his accusers have a long history of doing so. We all know about the American use of chemical weapons and Israel was using white phosphorus in Gaza.
That Guardian link hardly counts as evidence for a chemical weapons attack. Did you read the following disclaimer? "The Guardian has been unable to verify the material, which includes videos and photos of adults and children struggling to breathe, often wearing oxygen masks. Some are retching, while others are being stripped and hosed down to remove chemical residue." The doctors mentioned in the report work for an American financed anti-Assad organisation which refuses to cooperate with the UN. The organisation is probably more like the BBC Casualty than a real casualty charity. You must have seen all the fake videos.
The main question you have to ask yourself is "Cui bono?" What has Assad got to gain and lose by using chemical weapons?
I do not defend America or the West at all times.
When Saddam attacked iran the west did nothing and gave him arms. Then when the gulf war happened they put sanctions on Iran. Robert Fisk said those sanctions included medical syringes and children's clothing.
If we were to be equal then blair and bush should die. But if America correctly carried out the occupation post invasion, would we we want them dead? No, it would be seen as a success. They didn't plan on creating ISIS, or killing so many civilians.
But I think there is a difference between their actions and the mass killings carried about by saddam.
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/IraqCovera...2761722&page=1
Who do you believe? Do we believe no one? We have to trust someones reporting. Many mass media articles have credible sources from the ground.
The: United Nations Human Rights Council’s Independent International Commission of Inquiry on Syria . Is that a credible source of neutral opinion?. The UN is regularly claimed to be anti Israel, are they anti Syrian regime for the sake of it as well?. Many pro palestinians the UN is credible when being anti Israel. I'll presume it will be the same for this.
Anyway, that inquiry led to the below statement:
“Government forces and affiliated militia have committed murder, torture, rape, forcible displacement, enforced disappearance and other inhumane acts. Many of these crimes were perpetrated as part of widespread or systematic attacks against civilian populations and constitute crimes against humanity. War crimes and gross violations of international human rights law – including summary execution, arbitrary arrest and detention, unlawful attack, attacking protected objects, and pillaging and destruction of property – have also been committed...The violations and abuses committed by anti-government armed groups did not, however, reach the intensity and scale of those committed by government forces and affiliated militia... Government forces consistently transgressed the fundamental principle of the laws of war that they must, at all times, distinguish between civilian and military objectives.”
We don't have photos of Syrian personnel standing with a thumbs up next to helicopters with barrel bombs, so people will disprove everything.
Organisation across the board have the death toll at over 300,000. In five years. People thinking the regime hasn't had a big impact on that figure are looking to whitewash. The conflict was between rebels and the syrian government for the vast majority. No one else directly.
Last edited by LordKenwyne; 14-10-16 at 14:36.
There may be a few grammatical errors in the above
I'm more worried about the factual errors. How in all seriousness can you write :There may be a few grammatical errors in the above
"The conflict was between rebels and the syrian government for the vast majority. No one else directly."
I sometimes post when I am drunk, but that is such an insane comment that I can only presume you posted it under the influence of very strong hallucinants. I've got a very silly budgie. But even he would laugh at what you have just written. Most of the rebels are foreign. They are armed and paid by foreign governments. They are treated by foreign governments (e.g. Israel) when they are wounded. They are being trained by foreign governments (e.g. Britain).
Dai, there's some people, well the great majority, actually, who will pretend not to notice the obvious until they and theirs are suffering badly too. Today they will be more interested in how Hilda Ogden snuffed it than daring to peek behind the curtain. Tomorrow it'll be something equally unimportant.
The coming crash will take them by surprise despite your warnings. I thought it had started late last night. From my bedroom I could see a crowd of people running and screaming in a panic. But it was just a bunch of Pokemon twats chasing a Skirtlefart or something like that.
Random I know!!!, been trawling through wikileaks this afternoon
https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/1...UT03763_d.html
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