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[Bluebird since 1948]

If/When the Jocks vote for it I foresee the break up of the Union but we won't get a vote on it, it will be given to us. I think the powers that be will want indy for England, NI and Wales. At least that way it won't be such a messy break up.

[tommy31]

When did we vote and agree to independence ?

We haven't yet.

If/When the Jocks vote for it I foresee the break up of the Union but we won't get a vote on it, it will be given to us. I think the powers that be will want indy for England, NI and Wales. At least that way it won't be such a messy break up.

This is how I see it too. We'll be on the short list of countries who gained independence against their will in this case. Shameful

[Bluebird since 1948]

We haven't yet.



This is how I see it too. We'll be on the short list of countries who gained independence against their will in this case. Shameful

So we'd get indy but you'd still suggest it would be shameful? What a muppet you are.

[tommy31]

So we'd get indy but you'd still suggest it would be shameful? What a muppet you are.

Liken it to leaving a pub, or being thrown out of a pub. You get the same outcome, one is a bit more respectable than the other.

[Bluebird since 1948]

Liken it to leaving a pub, or being thrown out of a pub. You get the same outcome, one is a bit more respectable than the other.

I see it more as the pub ceasing to exist. If the UK is no more we are not getting "thrown out".

[tommy31]

I see it more as the pub ceasing to exist. If the UK is no more we are not getting "thrown out".

Oh I see, I wasn't looking at it that way.

[Bluebird since 1948]

Oh I see, I wasn't looking at it that way.

Of course you weren't because you don't want Indy at any cost do you? You only want it if it's one over on the English/Westminster like most Plaid members. The SNPs campaign is incredibly light on policy but very heavy on Braveheart stuff, Plaid must not go down that ally if they want to succeed.

[Heathblue]

If/When the Jocks vote for it I foresee the break up of the Union but we won't get a vote on it, it will be given to us. I think the powers that be will want indy for England, NI and Wales. At least that way it won't be such a messy break up.

Welsh Voters are quite happy being little England
there is no real push to move away from England

[tommy31]

Welsh Voters are quite happy being little England
there is no real push to move away from England

I think that a few more years of this will mean the question will be genuinely thought about, instead of just being rubbished, exactly like you're doing now.

[Heathblue]

I think that a few more years of this will mean the question will be genuinely thought about, instead of just being rubbished, exactly like you're doing now.

As a Plaid voter last time out, i'm not really rubbishing it. I just tend to accept the results of elections and get on with it, I liken yourself to a politician, you will not accept what you don't see yourself, Brexit being the obvious example, the people voted (I never), a decision was given to politicians by way of the vote and politicians still tell the people who voted, they voted incorrectly, have you noticed a big rise in UKIP votes in Wales? they are not a party who i could NOT vote for but a great deal many did and think they are the only alternative to the Tories, for me the issue of UKIP becoming a well represented party in Wales is far more important than skulking about independence, the valleys received a disproportionate level of funding from the EU compared to many other places in the UK, much of the money was squandered, the people saw next to nothing and voted accordingly, I don't think the question will be genuinely thought about by the majority of Welsh people, I think they will think of other things that mean more to them than parochialism. IMO gaining independence from England isn't going to be the catalyst to Wales growing socially and economically, however, and if it did, I would be delighted, I don't have any axe to grind either way.

[tommy31]

As a Plaid voter last time out, i'm not really rubbishing it. I just tend to accept the results of elections and get on with it, I liken yourself to a politician, you will not accept what you don't see yourself, Brexit being the obvious example, the people voted (I never), a decision was given to politicians by way of the vote and politicians still tell the people who voted, they voted incorrectly, have you noticed a big rise in UKIP votes in Wales? they are not a party who i could NOT vote for but a great deal many did and think they are the only alternative to the Tories, for me the issue of UKIP becoming a well represented party in Wales is far more important than skulking about independence, the valleys received a disproportionate level of funding from the EU compared to many other places in the UK, much of the money was squandered, the people saw next to nothing and voted accordingly, I don't think the question will be genuinely thought about by the majority of Welsh people, I think they will think of other things that mean more to them than parochialism. IMO gaining independence from England isn't going to be the catalyst to Wales growing socially and economically, however, and if it did, I would be delighted, I don't have any axe to grind either way.

I mean, I haven't said any opinions on anything other than independence in this thread. Your assumption that I don't respect the vote, or your message about ukip being a power are something I haven't addressed here. I do respect the vote, and I do think people made the wrong decision. It's possible to be in both camps there. About ukip being a rising party, I think they've already risen. There was a gap for an anti immigration party who give you someone else to blame rather than the current government.