Labour party, a safe place to be vile

[Barry Dragon]

We can see why splott David was such a Corbin fan. Labour has become a safe place to be a vile person. No wonder SD liked him so much. Such a shame he has been given a very long holiday from this board

http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_58...b0010a7f3e99cf

I hope this sort of behaviour is stamped out. I do hope to vote labour again, but it's becoming less and less likely the longer labour allow such rabid behaviour to exist under their banner.

[lardy]

We can see why splott David was such a Corbin fan. Labour has become a safe place to be a vile person. No wonder SD liked him so much. Such a shame he has been given a very long holiday from this board

http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_58...b0010a7f3e99cf

I hope this sort of behaviour is stamped out. I do hope to vote labour again, but it's becoming less and less likely the longer labour allow such rabid behaviour to exist under their banner.

Has he been given the hook? He's so thin skinned about people arguing his points that I guessed he'd cried off.

[jon1959]

We can see why splott David was such a Corbin fan. Labour has become a safe place to be a vile person. No wonder SD liked him so much. Such a shame he has been given a very long holiday from this board

http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_58...b0010a7f3e99cf

I hope this sort of behaviour is stamped out. I do hope to vote labour again, but it's becoming less and less likely the longer labour allow such rabid behaviour to exist under their banner.

I was very worried when the allegations of widespread anti-semitism in Labour appeared.

Then most headline cases I looked at seemed to either disprove the allegations (and I'm sorry Naz Shah didn't stand her ground a bit more) or came from nameless trolls on social media - many of whom seem to have nothing to do with Labour. These include the stupidly timed but not anti-semitic Nazi-Zionism comments of Ken Livingstone, the comments by Jackie Walker (vice chair of Momentum until forced to resign) on definitions, slave trade financing linked to other historical 'holocausts' (she has black and Jewish heritage), the Oxford student union allegations (re-sending lines from a David Baddiel play!) and the Ruth Smeeth MP walk out from the Labour anti-semitism event claiming she had been racially abused (no she wasn't - Marc Wadsworth called her out for feeding anti-Corbyn bullets to the Daily Telegraph) which was the most cynical of the lot.

Whilst I am sure there is anti-semitism in the Labour Party I see no evidence that it is worse than any other party, and a lot of evidence that it is challenged more consistently. I am disgusted the way that Corbyn and Labour are being smeared from a bloc of MPs and hostile activists from within, as well as enemies without (from sections of the press led by the Guardian not the Mail, to pressure groups and lobbies, to governments and government agencies who have an interest in defending Israeli state policies and its main political ideology).

Now we have the Home Affairs Select Committee piling in (5 Tories, I SNP and 2 Labour - including Chuka Umunna). It is a crude hatchet job as many commentators have pointed out. It reinforces the largely discredited 'working definition' of anti-semitism promoted by the European Monitoring Centre on Racism & Xenophobia that deliberately conflates anti-semitism and anti-Zionism. I have far more confidence in the honesty and imartiality of Shami Chakrabarti than the Home Affairs Select Committee. I may not trust her asthe face of a Labour education policy (son to private school) but on this issue I do.

[jon1959]

https://www.palestinecampaign.org/pr...mittee-report/

[life on mars]

what happened to the party I loved

[Elwood Blues]

https://www.palestinecampaign.org/pr...mittee-report/

Glad you could find a completely unbiased source!!!

[LordKenwyne]

Dai Splodd on his twitter account retweets pro trump supporters and hopes he wins

That is all you need to know.

[jon1959]

Glad you could find a completely unbiased source!!!

Unbiased? Well it is the opinion of the Palestine Solidarity Campaign not John Mann or the Daily Mail (or The Guardian) so it is different. As the statement makes clear the PSC has opposition to anti-semitism written into its constitution. It is also detailed, restrained and well argued in my opinion.

I happen to agree with them, but it is a viewpoint drowned out by the majority of the media and the vast majority of MPs - including all or almost all of those that make up the (obviously unbiased) Home Affairs Select Committee. Are you offended by reading a different take on this issue?

[Gabalphaville]

We can see why splott David was such a Corbin fan. Labour has become a safe place to be a vile person. No wonder SD liked him so much. Such a shame he has been given a very long holiday from this board

http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_58...b0010a7f3e99cf

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Is SD a member of the Labour Party?

[Gabalphaville]

I was very worried when the allegations of widespread anti-semitism in Labour appeared.

Then most headline cases I looked at seemed to either disprove the allegations (and I'm sorry Naz Shah didn't stand her ground a bit more) or came from nameless trolls on social media - many of whom seem to have nothing to do with Labour. These include the stupidly timed but not anti-semitic Nazi-Zionism comments of Ken Livingstone, the comments by Jackie Walker (vice chair of Momentum until forced to resign) on definitions, slave trade financing linked to other historical 'holocausts' (she has black and Jewish heritage), the Oxford student union allegations (re-sending lines from a David Baddiel play!) and the Ruth Smeeth MP walk out from the Labour anti-semitism event claiming she had been racially abused (no she wasn't - Marc Wadsworth called her out for feeding anti-Corbyn bullets to the Daily Telegraph) which was the most cynical of the lot.

Whilst I am sure there is anti-semitism in the Labour Party I see no evidence that it is worse than any other party, and a lot of evidence that it is challenged more consistently. I am disgusted the way that Corbyn and Labour are being smeared from a bloc of MPs and hostile activists from within, as well as enemies without (from sections of the press led by the Guardian not the Mail, to pressure groups and lobbies, to governments and government agencies who have an interest in defending Israeli state policies and its main political ideology).

Now we have the Home Affairs Select Committee piling in (5 Tories, I SNP and 2 Labour - including Chuka Umunna). It is a crude hatchet job as many commentators have pointed out. It reinforces the largely discredited 'working definition' of anti-semitism promoted by the European Monitoring Centre on Racism & Xenophobia that deliberately conflates anti-semitism and anti-Zionism. I have far more confidence in the honesty and imartiality of Shami Chakrabarti than the Home Affairs Select Committee. I may not trust her asthe face of a Labour education policy (son to private school) but on this issue I do.

Spot on.

The Get Corbyn campaign remains in full swing.

[tommy31]

Labour are dead. thank god

[Gabalphaville]

Labour are dead. thank god

Wishful thinking Tommy. Labour will only be in serious trouble if Jezza’s successor comes from the right of the party which would immediately alienate its hundreds of thousands of pro-Corbyn members. They need to keep that new-found energy and dynamism within the party. They’d lose it overnight if say, a Chuka Umunna, was elected as their next leader.

And in the immediate future there are the consequences of Brexit to consider. Where will the seething animus of the defeated Remain vote be directed? And what if the economy goes tits-up under the Tories? Too soon to write off Labour.

[tommy31]

Wishful thinking Tommy. Labour will only be in serious trouble if Jezza’s successor comes from the right of the party which would immediately alienate its hundreds of thousands of pro-Corbyn members. They need to keep that new-found energy and dynamism within the party. They’d lose it overnight if say, a Chuka Umunna, was elected as their next leader.

And in the immediate future there are the consequences of Brexit to consider. Where will the seething animus of the defeated Remain vote be directed? And what if the economy goes tits-up under the Tories? Too soon to write off Labour.

so you can see labour winning an election in the next 10 years? I certainly can't. you don't win an election by having more members than everyone else, you win it by having more votes. people are choosing not to vote for labour (for whatever reason). They've left us with a tory government for the foreseeable future. Thankfully, there is an alternative here.

[Heathblue]

so you can see labour winning an election in the next 10 years? I certainly can't. you don't win an election by having more members than everyone else, you win it by having more votes. people are choosing not to vote for labour (for whatever reason). They've left us with a tory government for the foreseeable future. Thankfully, there is an alternative here.

who's that then butt ?

[tommy31]

who's that then butt ?

Alternative to a Tory government we didn't elect? Becoming independent and ensuring that every party that rules over Wales is voted in by Wales

[Heathblue]

Alternative to a Tory government we didn't elect? Becoming independent and ensuring that every party that rules over Wales is voted in by Wales

Didn't we rejected becoming independent by vote?

[Bluebird since 1948]

Alternative to a Tory government we didn't elect? Becoming independent and ensuring that every party that rules over Wales is voted in by Wales

If we were to ever vote for independence I hope the people of Wales will wake up given time and vote for the party of the right. There will always be right leaning people in Wales and there are far more Tories in Wales and people with right wing views than the luvvies in Pontcanna give Wales credit for.

[tommy31]

Didn't we rejected becoming independent by vote?

no

If we were to ever vote for independence I hope the people of Wales will wake up given time and vote for the party of the right. There will always be right leaning people in Wales and there are far more Tories in Wales and people with right wing views than the luvvies in Pontcanna give Wales credit for.

Whichever side the party in power would be on, we could all be sure that the party wales votes for would be the party in power in Wales. That's not always the case in the UK, and isn't at the moment.

[Heathblue]

no

When did we vote and agree to independence ?

[Bluebird since 1948]

If/When the Jocks vote for it I foresee the break up of the Union but we won't get a vote on it, it will be given to us. I think the powers that be will want indy for England, NI and Wales. At least that way it won't be such a messy break up.

[tommy31]

When did we vote and agree to independence ?

We haven't yet.

If/When the Jocks vote for it I foresee the break up of the Union but we won't get a vote on it, it will be given to us. I think the powers that be will want indy for England, NI and Wales. At least that way it won't be such a messy break up.

This is how I see it too. We'll be on the short list of countries who gained independence against their will in this case. Shameful

[Heathblue]

If/When the Jocks vote for it I foresee the break up of the Union but we won't get a vote on it, it will be given to us. I think the powers that be will want indy for England, NI and Wales. At least that way it won't be such a messy break up.

Welsh Voters are quite happy being little England
there is no real push to move away from England

[tommy31]

Welsh Voters are quite happy being little England
there is no real push to move away from England

I think that a few more years of this will mean the question will be genuinely thought about, instead of just being rubbished, exactly like you're doing now.

[Heathblue]

I think that a few more years of this will mean the question will be genuinely thought about, instead of just being rubbished, exactly like you're doing now.

As a Plaid voter last time out, i'm not really rubbishing it. I just tend to accept the results of elections and get on with it, I liken yourself to a politician, you will not accept what you don't see yourself, Brexit being the obvious example, the people voted (I never), a decision was given to politicians by way of the vote and politicians still tell the people who voted, they voted incorrectly, have you noticed a big rise in UKIP votes in Wales? they are not a party who i could NOT vote for but a great deal many did and think they are the only alternative to the Tories, for me the issue of UKIP becoming a well represented party in Wales is far more important than skulking about independence, the valleys received a disproportionate level of funding from the EU compared to many other places in the UK, much of the money was squandered, the people saw next to nothing and voted accordingly, I don't think the question will be genuinely thought about by the majority of Welsh people, I think they will think of other things that mean more to them than parochialism. IMO gaining independence from England isn't going to be the catalyst to Wales growing socially and economically, however, and if it did, I would be delighted, I don't have any axe to grind either way.

[Bluebird since 1948]

We haven't yet.



This is how I see it too. We'll be on the short list of countries who gained independence against their will in this case. Shameful

So we'd get indy but you'd still suggest it would be shameful? What a muppet you are.