Reply With QuoteCCFC Premier League Season.jpgOriginally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
Our Premier League season in terms of averages (points per game, goals scored per game, goals conceded per game).
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I never bought that argument, either.
Cardiff City's biggest problem in the Premier League was a lack of goals and creativity. We had become a team that had ground its way to promotion (I believe because of pressures from above, we were quite decent to watch in Malky's first season) and had little pace or flair. To address this, Malky brought in a crap centre back, a defensive midfielder and a target man. Malky got things totally wrong - to have survived we needed a better attacking unit than we had, one that had more pace and skill. It would be fair to suggest that things have hardly changed since then!
When Malky was sacked we were 1 point above the bottom 3, had only scored 5 goals in 10 matches, conceding 15, and had won 9 points out of 36 available. Our graft wasn't enough, teams had started picking us off and we weren't able to create from open play.
Sadly, things under Solskjaer got worse. Our defensive discipline, so badly needed for a poor Premier League team disappeared and we conceded 46 in 20 games.
CCFC Premier League Season.jpg
Our Premier League season in terms of averages (points per game, goals scored per game, goals conceded per game).
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tougher fixture lists usually
Your condensing my post gives the impression I am pro MM and is not a reflection of what I was getting at.
MM played crap boring football and we ground out results even in our promotion year.
OGS was allowed to throw money around buying in the aforementioned tripe in the hope of staying up and I believe we would have had a better chance of survival if MM had the whole season.
I've got a LOT of time for DJ, genuinely think CCFC owe a hell of a lot to him and he brought the club so far on a shoestring
I think the only time where he did splash the cash was the season he bought Hudson for over a million, Marshall for 500k and then Chopra back from Sunderland for 3 mill (although a lot of this was money Sunderland owed us in the initial transfer). Also, these players turned out to be club greats and we got decent returns on all of them. That was the infamous Blackpool Play off season
The only other recent managers who have operated under similar means are Slade and Trollope and look how they turned out. Its hard to tell how he'd cope with large sums of money to spend, he might be pretty sh*t at it, a bit like Ian Holloway and Warnock who specialise in making a silk purse out of a sows ear but struggle when the actually have the means to get star players. We made very profitable returns on many of his paid for players and the players who flopped barely even cost us anything.
The only negatives i have over DJ is that i don't think we had the mental strength and belief under him like you get with a Malky or Warnock. The former did this famous 'character background dossier checks' and Warnock largely goes with key leaders he trusts who have previously played under him. I believe from various stories from old pro's that DJ let the big characters run amok and team morale/strength buckled when under pressure. This was also exacerbated by his largely terrible use of the loan market. Again, i think he was forced to do this under budgetary constraints.
I'd say he's a football league specialist and I'm pretty shocked he's been out of work for so long but as for a Premier League manager who knows, probably not i would imagine. But he was certainly a godsend for us in the dire straits we were in
Not really.
2006/07 - 4 points from 5 games. Played teams that finished in positions 8, 9, 10, 15, 18.
2007/08 - 5 points from 4 games. Played teams that finished in positions 5, 8, 11, 22.
2008/09 - 5 points from 6 games. Played teams that finished in positions 1, 4, 8, 11, 15, 21.
2009/10 - 1 point from 4 games. Played teams that finished in positions 3, 7, 15, 18.
2010/11 - 4 points from 5 games. Played teams that finished in positions 1, 3, 5, 6, 24.
In all bar the last season of his reign, it certainly couldn't be claimed that we played better teams than usual in November. November 2010 was a tough month, but we were top of the league at the start of it and 1 point from 4 teams that would go on to finish in the top 6 was a poor return.
I wasn't suggesting that, apologies if I gave that impression.
I think you are right that we would have had more chance of survival had Malky stayed on, but I feet that the rot had already set in and a new manager and a new approach was needed. As it was we got the wrong manager and the rot got worse.
No probz and yes, you could be right.
I get that
McNaughton and Medel? I thought they did well. We just needed a few more quality players. In January 2014 Iain Moody brought Joe Ledley, Scott Dann, and Jason Puncheon to Palace. Imagine if he had brought them to City instead. Would we be where Palace are now?
Caulker and Medel. Medel did well for us, not sure about Caulker. For me Caulker was a luxury buy, a player that possibly wasn't needed, especially after Medel signed.
Good point about Moody. If only he'd have brought players like that to us in the summer of 2013 we might have stayed up. He didn't. We thought our midfield would have enough pace and creativity in it, it didn't. Most of us could see that. Malky and Moody clearly thought we needed defensive strengthening as a priority. I didn't. I felt we needed midfielders who were comfortable on the ball, could keep possession, and overall had more pace and creativity. As it was Frazier Campbell ploughed an unfortunate furrow on his own miles from anyone all season. The less said about Cornelius the better.
Our relegation stemmed largely from our failings in the transfer market that summer and failure to see what was really needed.
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