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Well, there we go then. That "£350m a week" is going to seem like small change compared with what we will lose
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Well, there we go then. That "£350m a week" is going to seem like small change compared with what we will lose
good feck em, we'll be the first of many, its going to fall apart, Italian banks on the verge of meltdownOriginally Posted by Rjk
The point is they'll feck us so that nobody else decides to leave
so another project fear, went well last time
To be fair, I don't remember any of the project fear predictions being about what will happen months before Article 50 is even triggered.
Which project fear was that? The one about turkey joining the eu?
Or they will shoot themselves in the foot, and it collapses anyway.
People wont want to see a close neighbour being given a shit tough deal. That will only encourage people to want to leave. Not the europe I want to be part of.
And a tough deal will still be tough on them. Their banks are struggling, the ties we have allow them cheaper and easier credit through london. They wont want to lose that. Their banks could collapse, Germany wont allow them to be rescued, everyone loses all their money, and suddenly the 2008 and 2010 crash will be small.
The Italian anti-EU party is leading in the opinion polls regarding their EU referendum, likewise Le Pen is ahead on 29% in France to be the next French President. The world is truly turning upside down post Brexit.
Post brexit, or post Arab Spring?
Arab Spring was Soros/Globalists. Brexit/Trump is opposing force as far as I can see.
Was there an option on the ballot paper regarding hard or soft Brexit ?
You know the answer to that question
Abstainer, didn't go to a ballot box
Nonetheless you still know the answer to your questionAbstainer, didn't go to a ballot box
You're the third person on here that I've noticed is very pro-leaving but claims they didn't vote.Abstainer, didn't go to a ballot box
Wow so it should have won by a bigger margin?
Support for brexit is about to jump up. Blair is back again.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...-and-brexit-i/
Last edited by Barry Dragon; 21-11-16 at 14:22.
most people who voted wouldn't have had a clue what the difference was
Isn't it a bit like divorcing your wife, but still living together?
because its been made up recently by sore loser remainers
Well the remain campaign were pointing these things out before the referendum, saying we would either see trade tariffs or have to keep free movement of people.
This was [s] lied about [/s] dismissed time again by the brexit bunch who promised everyone we could have both, making it seem as though there was both a financial and immigration case for brexit.
If people knew they would be paying such a high price for reduced immigration (if that actually happens) I know several people who would have voted differently
Last edited by Rjk; 22-11-16 at 10:11.
The official remain campaign did an awful job of explained the details of issues after an exit.
Passporting and london was discussed rarely if ever, from what I read. And that would have been a major negative of leaving for thousands. If they thought london could be gutted of financial services.
They relied on using emotional arguments. I don't know how many times Remain MP's and celebs wheeled out the argument of being loving and caring.
The remain campaign claim to be the wise ones but their attempt was dire. They resorted to claiming economists were on their side so that gives their powder puff arguments credibility. As if they didn't need to explain themselves properly because of it.
There are far, farrrrrrrrrr more intelligent people that voted leave than on this messageboard. Yet apparently remain voters have intelligence ring fenced for themselves.....
Maybe in 20 years time we'll know if the decision was a poor one. Because positives and negatives can only be compared to how the EU succeeds/fails over a long term period. We'll see.
Hard Brexit is Brexit, soft brexit is not brexit. It is what people voted for. They have had to change their view because we are playing hard ball.
And who can actually tell you with certainty how much it will cost us? Because it could well reward us intime. No prediction can be based on anything. We are not definitely going to lose out. You've just been taken in by those that have an interest to make it look bad.
Glad this idea of a soft non brexit is being forgotten. That is not brexit. That is what Dave should have negotiated for us to stay in, but he got nothing.
Sorry but that is revisionist bollocks.
There was no clarity on what people were voting for, people in the brexit campaign made plenty of noises about keeping free trade with Europe.
I know plenty of people who voted to leave but would prefer to accept free movement of people and stay in the free trade zone.
You might have ha different priorities with what you were voting for but you cannot speak for everyone who voted to leave.
Everyone was basically told that they could have their cake and eat it with no free movement and free trade. It now looks like thatwas never in fact based in reality and if we as a nation have to choose between the two you or anyone else cannot possibly know what the rest of the nation would prefer to do.
Can you clarify what the bit in bold means?
Predictions use historic figures, plus your gut feeling. They are not based on what will happen in the future. Its far too complex to try and do that. So they use what has happened previously, this can allow you to accurately predict what will happen for the same scenario. Only this had not happened previously, so you cannot use any predictions for what will happen accurately. Any prediction is simply ones gut feeling.
All the economists who got it so wrong prove that. Yes not much has actually happened, but one of the cores of their predictions was a massive loss in confidence, and if that was going to happen it would have. There was an initial blip as people held their breath, but the economy has continued to improve since brexit. And if anything confidence has improved in the british economy since brexit.
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