Reply With QuoteOoooh sorry fella , You are completely out of my league.Originally Posted by OurManFlint II
It was the Falklands by the way.
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I'm sorry for your brother, but i don't believe he fought in a war so that you could choose what to wear, whichever conflict it was.
Ooooh sorry fella , You are completely out of my league.
It was the Falklands by the way.
You say this, but let's not cut off our noses to spite our face. Also, we've not actually received any action from FIFA yet, they're looking into it. Some people find poppies offensive, such as James McClean; as they view the British army as oppressive. I don't and I would have liked our team to have worn a poppy but this is a modern phenomenon that didn't even occur last year. We played Holland on 13th Nov, wore no poppy, there was no card display and nobody batted an eyelid. Football shirts had no poppies until 2011.
Also, and this is the important thing, IFAB and FIFA make the rules. All 4 home nations sit on IFAB, plus 4 others. We literally made this rule, its our rule that we've been stuffed by.
Remembrance doesn't mean the world has to stop turning. We remembered the dead and if there is a price to pay, then so be it but don't for one minute think I'd risk a place at the world cup for this. It's far too petty, the fine will be a slap on the wrist, 5 figures tops.
Funny see, I would think thats exactly why he and many hundreds before him fought in a war.
Why do you care now, when you didn't last year?
http://www.skysports.com/football/wa...erlands/352046
No poppies, no armbands, no fuss, one day later than the Serbia game.
Who the fook do you think you are to tell me I didn't care last year. Fortunately for you you didnt say that in my company because i would have shown you how much I care.
The point is the matter should not be questioned in the first place. The amount of the fine or otherwise has nothing to do with it for me its the fact that they have the audacity to tell us what we can or cannot do re a matter that is so sensitive to people.My god its hard to believe.
Its not the point.Its my right to wear an emblem when I like where I like to respect people who gave their life so I could have a better one.
He isn't saying that you didn't care, the point I think he's trying to make is that this wasn't a problem last year, so why is it one this year?
With all due respect mate you are wrong, he was replying to my quote. See above about ten back.
wasnt that his protest about the British military in NI ? ? ??
He attempted to turn it political, it never was, wear a poppy to remember the fallen in both world wars and any other conflict, if you dont want to wear it, then so be it, we have had far too many bleating on about the rights not to wear one
Wearing a Swastika would be offensive as it would offend the majority of fans and would be seen as offensive by the police and dealt with accordingly.
Wearing a poppy might offend some but not the majority and in no way portrays the same meaning as the Swastika. It is simply a passive means of demonstrating a consideration for those that have died whilst on public service. Not just military service.
That nothing happened last year is irrelevant. The fact that FIFA is acting in a nonsensical, insensitive and some would say offensive
manner is the issue.
All of these controlling regulations are put in place primarily to ensure that sponsors and investors are not put off from doing so. It is all about money.
And we are talking here about FIFA!!
Last edited by BLUEAWAY; 24-11-16 at 18:33.
It is political for many people in Derry - and has been at least since Bloody Sunday. James McClean didn't make it political.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/pe...-a6716081.html
It isn't political for most people in the UK or other countries (mainly ex British Empire and victors in World War One). I think the hyping and hijacking of the poppy by politicians and the press has been a mistake and a shame and wrong, but the FIFA response is totally over the top. However, despite the change of regime at FIFA I really doubt this would have been such an issue if the British football federations hadn't ramped up the commemoration and turned it into a collective and institutional event (egged on by the press) where personal choice has disappeared for players and many of the crowd. As others have said, what would the reaction have been at the stadium if spectators hadn't gone along with the creating the poppy motif in the Family Stand?
Maybe the various 100 year anniversaries (the Somme etc) have fed into this - but better we go back to what was done 10 years ago and show respect and remember in a more private and dignified way. Maybe also think a bit more about how this looks from other countries and whether British exceptionalism is justified. What if Germany had adopted a similar remembrance ceremony and symbol for its war dead after 1918, and carried that on to black arm bands, military parades, remembrance symbols all over their ground, and a card motif created by thousands of fans in a stand - all before playing Russia or Poland or Israel?
I'm not saying you don't care about remembrance last year but I am saying you probably weren't that bothered about Wales not wearing a poppy. If you'd like to show me a post on the matter, I'd gladly take it back.
Scotland are hosting the world cup ?
Had to log in just to f*cking laugh at this!!!
Brilliant!
Are you new here?Had to log in just to f*cking laugh at this!!!
No need Pedro I obviously misunderstood you.
Just to make it clear, I'd absolutely prefer it if they wore poppies as I have lost family members in conflicts, and I'd absolutely prefer it if FIFA didn't look into this as it's a not an issue in my opinion. However, I can see that people could get offended by it, I guess FIFA are showing there is no favoritism? I guess, or I hope anyway. I think we will get a slap on the wrist.
Could you offer some perspective on who you think those that might be offended are and how many of them they might be and also whether they were likely to have been at the Cardiff or Wembley matches?
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