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    The fake epidemic of fake news

    This has to be one of the funniest things I've ever seen, the BBC advising people on how to avoid 'fake news'
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/38053324

    Some of the biggest peddlers of ‘fake news’ and ‘post-truth politics’ out there are saying the same things, here are just a few..

    CNN recommended a "triple check before you share" rule, maybe they should take their own advice?
    http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/30/medi...inkId=30509412

    How To Recognize A Fake News Story
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b058ce7aaba169

    Angela Merkel warns against internet trolls and 'fake news' that threaten democracy
    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/angela-merk...ocracy-1593148

    Fake News May Not Be Protected Speech
    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...otected-speech

    Don't be fooled by this sudden concern for truth, this is a fake epidemic of fake news, this is an attack on alternative media, google and facebook are already banning 'fake news' web sites from their advertising networks and there are calls for more to be done, you don't have to be a Philadelphia lawyer to work out where this is going..
    'It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled'

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    Re: The fake epidemic of fake news

    It looks a bit coordinated to me

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    Re: The fake epidemic of fake news

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    It looks a bit coordinated to me
    A fine example of The Hegelian dialectic I'm sure they have a solution in mind.
    'It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled'

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    Re: The fake epidemic of fake news

    I suppose you pick and choose where you get your information.

    What sites do you two use?.

    Al Monitor is good.

    Bloomberg is good for reporting on things. But not for opinion. They release a ridiculous amount.

    I'e subscribed to: http://foreignpolicy.com/ Is that ok or is it totally American leaning?.

    Most of the BBC stuff is far better than you'll find on unpaid media.

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    Twitter have also jumped on the "fake news" bandwagon, so it was quite bizzare that when a user discovered a massive 5,000+ child porn ring openly sharing videos and photos, Twitter decided to suspend the person because they reported it!

    So far the non-fake news MSM have failed to mention it
    Last edited by Wales-Bales; 25-11-16 at 16:00.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Twitter have also jumped on the "fake news" bandwagon, so it was quite bizzare that when a user discovered a massive 5,000+ child porn ring openly sharing videos and photos, that Twitter decided to ban the person who reported it!

    So far the non-fake news MSM have failed to mention it
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    Re: The fake epidemic of fake news

    Quote Originally Posted by Packerman View Post
    do you see the bogey man everywhere ? do you do anything but sit on your pc all day, get a life before armageddon ps when is it
    You think it's funny that children are being abused?

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    Re: The fake epidemic of fake news

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    You think it's funny that children are being abused?
    can you show me where i said that, talk about putting words
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    Re: The fake epidemic of fake news

    Actually the Daily Star of all people decided to report on it - http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/late...media-accounts

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    Re: The fake epidemic of fake news

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    You think it's funny that children are being abused?
    ps msm are fairly interested in the football abuse story, lead story on the BBC
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Actually the Daily Star of all people decided to report on it - http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/late...media-accounts
    an oops for you again
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    Re: The fake epidemic of fake news

    Quote Originally Posted by Packerman View Post
    an oops for you again
    Well the story has been verified as being true.

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    Re: The fake epidemic of fake news

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Well the story has been verified as being true.
    Does the fact that some white helmets make some stories up mean all aid workers are not credible.

    Like the fact some migrants were playing up to the cameras. Does that mean all migrants are now liars on a smash and grab job?. No.

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    Re: The fake epidemic of fake news

    Quote Originally Posted by LordKenwyne View Post
    I suppose you pick and choose where you get your information.

    What sites do you two use?.

    Al Monitor is good.

    Bloomberg is good for reporting on things. But not for opinion. They release a ridiculous amount.

    I'e subscribed to: http://foreignpolicy.com/ Is that ok or is it totally American leaning?.

    Most of the BBC stuff is far better than you'll find on unpaid media.
    I picked those randomly out of the 'fake news' search results, my point is they are all saying the same things, I just selected a few that's all, I've never heard of Al Monitor and I don't use foreignpolicy either.

    You must have seen some of my previous posts about the bbc?
    'It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled'

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    Re: The fake epidemic of fake news

    Quote Originally Posted by LordKenwyne View Post
    Does the fact that some white helmets make some stories up mean all aid workers are not credible.

    Like the fact some migrants were playing up to the cameras. Does that mean all migrants are now liars on a smash and grab job?. No.
    I certainly don't think like that, every case should be looked at individually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Packerman View Post
    do you see the bogey man everywhere ? do you do anything but sit on your pc all day, get a life before armageddon ps when is it
    Actually you don't have to do anything, the info is all over the internet. I guess that's what this fake news thing is all about.

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    Re: The fake epidemic of fake news

    I like the idea of there being a relatively honest and believable Mainstream news.
    In that respect I like Channel 4 news more than other mainstreams.

    Other than that its pick'n'mix and take your chances.

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    That BBC one is hilarious – not just spotting fake news but how to grass it up. It’s not like the Beeb have ever tried to shape our perception through omission and emphasis is it? Still, at least they don't make stuff up.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vimana. View Post
    I like the idea of there being a relatively honest and believable Mainstream news.
    In that respect I like Channel 4 news more than other mainstreams.

    Other than that its pick'n'mix and take your chances.
    I'm with you - a range of news sources provides a more 3D view of the world. And Channel 4 news is deffo better than the Beeb. The recent Cathy Newman v Milo Yiannopoulos dust up was great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vimana. View Post
    I like the idea of there being a relatively honest and believable Mainstream news.
    In that respect I like Channel 4 news more than other mainstreams.

    Other than that its pick'n'mix and take your chances.
    But Jon Snow's socks? Can't approve of that.

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    Re: The fake epidemic of fake news

    I know some are suspicious of Patrick Henningsen, but I think he's the real deal. I particularly like that he is consciously bi-partizan.



    Obama and Merkel's recent rhetoric is quite transparent and terrifying, the subtext for which is about policing free speech the internet. Add this possibility to the now in place "Snoopers charter" and we can be conclusive about what the agenda is.

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    Re: The fake epidemic of fake news

    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    But Jon Snow's socks? Can't approve of that.
    I tape a piece of card across the bottom of the telly...

    Yeah, it's a low down trick. Damn censorship again .. !

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    Re: The fake epidemic of fake news

    Far better to rely on trusted news sources like uprootedpalstinians.com or some random Twitter feed from a bloke you've never met

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    Re: The fake epidemic of fake news

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabalphaville View Post
    That BBC one is hilarious – not just spotting fake news but how to grass it up. It’s not like the Beeb have ever tried to shape our perception through omission and emphasis is it? Still, at least they don't make stuff up.......
    Don't get me started.. again

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue in the Face View Post
    I know some are suspicious of Patrick Henningsen, but I think he's the real deal. I particularly like that he is consciously bi-partizan.



    Obama and Merkel's recent rhetoric is quite transparent and terrifying, the subtext for which is about policing free speech the internet. Add this possibility to the now in place "Snoopers charter" and we can be conclusive about what the agenda is.
    The old 'threat to democracy' card, Obama “If we are not serious about facts and what’s true and what’s not, if we can’t discriminate between serious arguments and propaganda, then we have problems,”

    Weapons of mass destruction spring to mind..

    Quote Originally Posted by TH63 View Post
    Far better to rely on trusted news sources like uprootedpalstinians.com or some random Twitter feed from a bloke you've never met
    I have never posted a link from that site, this thread is not about main stream news, it's about the epidemic of fake news sites that has flooded facebook and other social media for the last few months, it's a deliberate flood of completely fabricated stories so they can push for more censorship of the internet.
    'It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled'

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    Re: The fake epidemic of fake news

    Quote Originally Posted by TH63 View Post
    Far better to rely on trusted news sources like uprootedpalstinians.com or some random Twitter feed from a bloke you've never met
    This is a very profound statement, but it is also a logical fallacy. With a view like this you will open yourself up to even more fake news and propaganda. No one side is better than the other, but taken as a whole you will find the truth somewhere in between.

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    Re: The fake epidemic of fake news

    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R View Post
    I have never posted a link from that site, this thread is not about main stream news, it's about the epidemic of fake news sites that has flooded facebook and other social media for the last few months, it's a deliberate flood of completely fabricated stories so they can push for more censorship of the internet.
    I thought it was a group of kids in Macedonia who discovered a new way to make a few dollars? Was Brexit and Trump also a part of this deliberate attempt? What has materialised is Merkel and Obama have made themselves unelectable, so in hindsight if it was actually them who were behind all the fake news, it wasn't the best of ideas

    This is a good read, if only for the comments. It will sum up nicely what is really going on

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ocial-networks

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    Re: The fake epidemic of fake news

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    I thought it was a group of kids in Macedonia who discovered a new way to make a few dollars? Was Brexit and Trump also a part of this deliberate attempt? What has materialised is Merkel and Obama have made themselves unelectable, so in hindsight if it was actually them who were behind all the fake news, it wasn't the best of ideas

    This is a good read, if only for the comments. It will sum up nicely what is really going on

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ocial-networks
    Yeah it was a group of kids in Macedonia and from the Russians apparently, I'm not saying that it was or it wasn't, I'm just repeating what they are telling people and saying how I see it, they are suggesting that brexit and Trump are the result of all the fake news, I read something earlier about Obama consulting with lawyers, it made me think about what Organ said, can't find where I saw it, will get back to you.

    "Russian propaganda effort helped spread ‘fake news’ during election, experts say"
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...8fe_story.html

    We Tracked Down A Fake-News Creator In The Suburbs. Here's What We Learned
    http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechc...in-the-suburbs

    Could better Internet security have prevented Trump’s shocking win? <--
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-shocking-win/
    'It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R View Post
    Yeah it was a group of kids in Macedonia and from the Russians apparently, I'm not saying that it was or it wasn't, I'm just repeating what they are telling people and saying how I see it, they are suggesting that brexit and Trump are the result of all the fake news, I read something earlier about Obama consulting with lawyers, it made me think about what Organ said, can't find where I saw it, will get back to you.

    "Russian propaganda effort helped spread ‘fake news’ during election, experts say"
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...8fe_story.html

    We Tracked Down A Fake-News Creator In The Suburbs. Here's What We Learned
    http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechc...in-the-suburbs

    Could better Internet security have prevented Trump’s shocking win? <--
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-shocking-win/
    Read the comments in the Guardian article above to get an idea about what people are really thinking. This fake news stuff is just more propaganda from the same people who have just been anhialated. This kind of response is all that they know.
    Last edited by Wales-Bales; 26-11-16 at 19:11.

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    Re: The fake epidemic of fake news

    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R View Post
    We Tracked Down A Fake-News Creator In The Suburbs. Here's What We Learned
    http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechc...in-the-suburbs
    How do you know this isn't fake news? He was very quick to change his tune and start singing like a canary

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Read the comments in the Guardian article above to get an idea about what people are really thinking. This fake news stuff is just more propaganda from the same people who have just been anhialated. This kind of response is all that they know.
    I never let comments, likes, upvotes or any other crap on things influence my view you should know that by now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    How do you know this isn't fake news? He was very quick to change his tune and start singing like a canary
    Exactly, what a great song he sings too

    btw, you may not agree with me on this one but remember I'm not TruBlue.
    'It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled'

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    Re: The fake epidemic of fake news

    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R View Post
    I never let comments, likes, upvotes or any other crap on things influence my view you should know that by now.
    You don't have to let their comments influence you, it's just a snapshot of various public opinion that is sandwiched in the middle of the MSM propaganda and alternatinve media propaganda. I believe when taken as a whole, you will get a richer set of data to work with when forming your own opinions If people listened to others and tried to understand what they are saying, the world would be a less complicated place. Don't be a part of the problem, be part of the solution

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    You don't have to let their comments influence you, it's just a snapshot of various public opinion that is sandwiched in the middle of the MSM propaganda and alternatinve media propaganda. I believe when taken as a whole, you will get a richer set of data to work with when forming your own opinions If people listened to others and tried to understand what they are saying, the world would be a less complicated place. Don't be a part of the problem, be part of the solution
    Are you taking the piss? I take all views in to consideration but I make my own mind up, how do you know they are genuine comments by the way? you know the internet, full of trolls.
    'It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R View Post
    Are you taking the piss? I take all views in to consideration but I make my own mind up, how do you know they are genuine comments by the way? you know the internet, full of trolls.
    There are 1183 pages of comments, that's why I said it's a snapshot of various public opinion

    If you haven't read Sapiens yet, you should give it a go. It explains how humans believe in shared ideas, and not in reality. That's why it is so easy to control and maniputale people. They have been doing it for 10,000 years. I can lend you my copy if you want

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    It's the wrong kind of democracy I thought I was listening to a bunch of Remoaners for a minute, they are all singing from the same hymn sheet

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    There are 1183 pages of comments, that's why I said it's a snapshot of various public opinion

    If you haven't read Sapiens yet, you should give it a go. It explains how humans believe in shared ideas, and not in reality. That's why it is so easy to control and maniputale people. They have been doing it for 10,000 years. I can lend you my copy if you want
    How many times have you told me to read that now? I think you are trying to control and manipulate me
    'It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled'

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    The Summer of the Shill

    Campaign 2016 won't just have lasting implications for American politics. It's obliterated what was left of our news media

    Years ago, when I was an exchange student in the Soviet Union, a Russian friend explained how he got his news.

    "For news about Russia, Radio Liberty," he said. "For news about America, Soviet newspapers." He smiled. "Countries lie about themselves, tell truth about others."

    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...-shill-w434484

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R View Post
    How many times have you told me to read that now? I think you are trying to control and manipulate me
    It not going to control or manipulate you, it's a history book written by a professor of history, based on introductory undergraduate history course about the history of civilisation

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    The Summer of the Shill

    Campaign 2016 won't just have lasting implications for American politics. It's obliterated what was left of our news media

    Years ago, when I was an exchange student in the Soviet Union, a Russian friend explained how he got his news.

    "For news about Russia, Radio Liberty," he said. "For news about America, Soviet newspapers." He smiled. "Countries lie about themselves, tell truth about others."

    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...-shill-w434484
    You could have done with some quotation marks there

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    It not going to control or manipulate you, it's a history book written by a professor of history, based on introductory undergraduate history course about the history of civilisation
    Can you not tell when I'm joking?
    'It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R View Post
    Can you not tell when I'm joking?
    That's why I mentioned the word history 4 times

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