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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R View Post
    I picked those randomly out of the 'fake news' search results, my point is they are all saying the same things, I just selected a few that's all, I've never heard of Al Monitor and I don't use foreignpolicy either.

    You must have seen some of my previous posts about the bbc?
    What do you use then?

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    Re: The fake epidemic of fake news

    Quote Originally Posted by Kris View Post
    It isn't an attack on "alternative" media. It's basic education. Before quoting a source and a story, read it first, and get a few other sources. Simple.

    How often do people post links to stories that haven't been read first?
    I know all that but that's not really what I'm talking about here.

    I use all sorts.
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  3. #83

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    I've noticed a pattern regarding these reports about fake news. There is a disproportionate overuse of the words fake, conspiracy and theory, and many of these articles do not even disclose who the writers are. Also they never attribute quotes to an identifiable person. I'm not sure what the reason for this is, but I'm guessing it is something to do with legal ramifications? Does anybody have any other ideas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    I've noticed a pattern regarding these reports about fake news. There is a disproportionate overuse of the words fake, conspiracy and theory, and many of these articles do not even disclose who the writers are. Also they never attribute quotes to an identifiable person. I'm not sure what the reason for this is, but I'm guessing it is something to do with legal ramifications? Does anybody have any other ideas?
    I think the word "fake" is a fairly decent word to describe something fake. Just a hunch though.

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    Re: The fake epidemic of fake news

    Quote Originally Posted by TruBlue View Post
    I think the word "fake" is a fairly decent word to describe something fake. Just a hunch though.
    Fabricated is a good word, the beeb should know that one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TruBlue View Post
    I think the word "fake" is a fairly decent word to describe something fake. Just a hunch though.
    I'm a fence-sitter like you, I'm just trying to see things objectively from both sides, but my mind did seem like it was under subliminal attack reading some of that stuff

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    I'm a fence-sitter like you, I'm just trying to see things objectively from both sides, but my mind did seem like it was under subliminal attack reading some of that stuff
    You are kidding right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R View Post
    You are kidding right?
    No I always sit on the fence until the facts present themselves. So far nobody has made a watertight case one way or the other. So I will remain sitting on the fence

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    Re: The fake epidemic of fake news

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    No I always sit on the fence until the facts present themselves. So far nobody has made a watertight case one way or the other. So I will remain sitting on the fence
    We are going to need a bigger fence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R View Post
    We are going to need a bigger fence.
    preferable barbed wire :xmashehe:
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    Those damn Russians have been at it again spreading fake stories https://mobile.twitter.com/johnpodes...98457140609024
    Last edited by Wales-Bales; 13-12-16 at 23:09.

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    The way the media have sold this aleppo liberation is pretty odd.

    Armageddon type rhetoric.

    And the UN "believe" people have died. "We hope it isn't true".

    Then the main networks run with it as the syrian government have murdered loads.

    Comes across as a concerted effort to write it into the history books as genocide.

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    The way the media have sold this aleppo liberation is pretty odd.

    Armageddon type rhetoric.

    And the UN "believe" people have died. "We hope it isn't true".

    Then the main networks run with it as the syrian government have murdered loads.

    Comes across as a concerted effort to write it into the history books as genocide.
    Boris has already spilled the beans, it's a proxy war hence all the BS flying around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LordKenwyne View Post
    The way the media have sold this aleppo liberation is pretty odd.

    Armageddon type rhetoric.

    And the UN "believe" people have died. "We hope it isn't true".

    Then the main networks run with it as the syrian government have murdered loads.

    Comes across as a concerted effort to write it into the history books as genocide.
    The UK media seem reluctant to portray what is happening in Aleppo as a 'liberation'. They also keep on forgetting to mention that the anti-Assad forces in Aleppo are mostly al-Qaeda.

    A decent piece by Peter Oborne in this week's Spectator (right of centre) on double standards in western reporting:http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/11/y...-about-aleppo/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabalphaville View Post
    The UK media seem reluctant to portray what is happening in Aleppo as a 'liberation'. They also keep on forgetting to mention that the anti-Assad forces in Aleppo are mostly al-Qaeda.

    A decent piece by Peter Oborne in this week's Spectator (right of centre) on double standards in western reporting:http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/11/y...-about-aleppo/
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  16. #96

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    That's an incredibly damning indictment of the west and the lying western media - the BBC and the Guardian called out, too.

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    Thanks Nelson for posting that video. Interesting that the Canadian journalist highlighted the duplicity of the Guardian. What an absolute disgrace that paper is - I stopped reading it in March 2003, having been a reader for 25 years. Truly evil rag, worse than the Sun - and I say that as a Hillsborough survivor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabalphaville View Post
    That's an incredibly damning indictment of the west and the lying western media - the BBC and the Guardian called out, too.
    At least they got the story about Kayne West and Donald Trump right

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    Mark Thompson, the man who covered up the Jimmy Savile scandal at the BBC, and now in charge of the New York Times shares his views on fake news. Some interesting comments follow the article.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...nalism-digital

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    As a balance to the above article, some views from the alternative media.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25XFMRr74rA

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    Re: The fake epidemic of fake news

    Obama quietly signs the Countering Disinformation and Propaganda Act in to law.
    https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-...bill/2943/text
    http://ijr.com/2016/12/764170-buried...ust-signed-it/
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    Obama quietly signs the Countering Disinformation and Propaganda Act in to law.
    https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-...bill/2943/text
    http://ijr.com/2016/12/764170-buried...ust-signed-it/
    Game over then. A lot of folks saw this last act from B.O. coming. Us loony toons won't much longer be able to enlighten folks by googling and screaming "Look! See!..."

    You can almost see the strings on Obama in that second link...

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    Re: The fake epidemic of fake news

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue in the Face View Post
    Game over then. A lot of folks saw this last act from B.O. coming. Us loony toons won't much longer be able to enlighten folks by googling and screaming "Look! See!..."

    You can almost see the strings on Obama in that second link...

    GettyImages-630109420-1024x683.jpg
    They have been airbrushed out
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    I cancelled my Times subscription yesterday.

    The sarcastic dweeb on the other end of the phone who wouldn't take no for an answer said that in the era of fake news, it is "always important to get some high quality reporting".

    They have blatantly trained these customer service people to bring up certain things so as to keep you interested. It used to take 2 minutes cancel. Then they went through a revamp of their website etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LordKenwyne View Post
    I cancelled my Times subscription yesterday.

    The sarcastic dweeb on the other end of the phone who wouldn't take no for an answer said that in the era of fake news, it is "always important to get some high quality reporting".

    They have blatantly trained these customer service people to bring up certain things so as to keep you interested. It used to take 2 minutes cancel. Then they went through a revamp of their website etc.
    You should have told him the reason why you were cancelling was to avoid fake news

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    You should have told him the reason why you were cancelling was to avoid fake news
    I did say that that is the problem and the times isn't know for real news.

    But I should have said more.

    He was the most annoying customer service worker I have ever experienced.

    I said this conversation has been going on for 9 minutes and I really just need it cancelled. He said no, it has been going on for 7 minutes and 43 seconds.

    Even though I was staring at 9 minutes on my phone.

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    "BBC sets up team to debunk fake news"
    https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...bunk-fake-news

    To say that boils my piss is really an understatement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R View Post
    "BBC sets up team to debunk fake news"
    https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...bunk-fake-news

    To say that boils my piss is really an understatement.
    "The BBC is to assemble a team to fact check and debunk deliberately misleading and false stories masquerading as real news."

    It's about time they sorted out the BBC, as it was becoming a bit of a joke!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R View Post
    "BBC sets up team to debunk fake news"
    https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...bunk-fake-news

    To say that boils my piss is really an understatement.
    The guardian picking and choosing what has a comment section is why I don't read it.

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    Re: The fake epidemic of fake news

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    "The BBC is to assemble a team to fact check and debunk deliberately misleading and false stories masquerading as real news."

    It's about time they sorted out the BBC, as it was becoming a bit of a joke!
    Was? still is, they are not sorting out the bbc, just everyone else, if they were they would be talking about this fakery






    Quote Originally Posted by LordKenwyne View Post
    The guardian picking and choosing what has a comment section is why I don't read it.
    They know what kind of comments they would get on a story like this that's why.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R View Post
    Was? still is, they are not sorting out the bbc, just everyone else, if they were they would be talking about this fakery


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Looks more real to be fair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LordKenwyne View Post
    I cancelled my Times subscription yesterday.

    The sarcastic dweeb on the other end of the phone who wouldn't take no for an answer said that in the era of fake news, it is "always important to get some high quality reporting".

    They have blatantly trained these customer service people to bring up certain things so as to keep you interested. It used to take 2 minutes cancel. Then they went through a revamp of their website etc.
    I don't know why you wasted money on that. It is rubbish compared with how it was 25 years ago. Instead of intellectual heavyweights like Brian Walden and Bernard Levin you now have lightweights filling up the columns with mundane comments about shopping or about what they had to eat last week. The only people worth reading are Matthew Parris and Melanie Phillips.

    If you want to keep up with current events then just ask your questions on this forum and look at the replies by the more intelligent posters and their answers will tell you what's really happening. If you don't know who the intelligent posters are then just look at the avatar. If the avatar suggests virtue signalling – e.g. a picture of Paul Robeson – then the poster will be a foolish windbag. Ostriches, babies and Gareth Bale are all good avatars.

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    Re: The fake epidemic of fake news

    Quote Originally Posted by David Vincent View Post
    I don't know why you wasted money on that. It is rubbish compared with how it was 25 years ago. Instead of intellectual heavyweights like Brian Walden and Bernard Levin you now have lightweights filling up the columns with mundane comments about shopping or about what they had to eat last week. The only people worth reading are Matthew Parris and Melanie Phillips.

    If you want to keep up with current events then just ask your questions on this forum and look at the replies by the more intelligent posters and their answers will tell you what's really happening. If you don't know who the intelligent posters are then just look at the avatar. If the avatar suggests virtue signalling – e.g. a picture of Paul Robeson – then the poster will be a foolish windbag. Ostriches, babies and Gareth Bale are all good avatars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LordKenwyne View Post
    I suppose you pick and choose where you get your information.

    What sites do you two use?.

    Al Monitor is good.

    Bloomberg is good for reporting on things. But not for opinion. They release a ridiculous amount.

    I'e subscribed to: http://foreignpolicy.com/ Is that ok or is it totally American leaning?.

    Most of the BBC stuff is far better than you'll find on unpaid media.
    Why are you asking if others think a website is "reputable" or not? If they say it is, you would then need to ask if the people who recommended it are reputable or not!

    The OP has the opinion that Main Stream Media is bad, and the media she reads is good and trustworthy. Nothing wrong with that at all.

    However, where the OP is conflicted is where she preaches on telling people that Main Stream Media (BBC/CNN) are fake news peddlers. She is contradicting herself by doing the exact same thing that Main Stream Media (like Facebook/Twitter) are now doing... telling people what to believe and what not to believe.

    My rule. Read news items from as many different sources as possible. Look at the evidence, consider the gaps in evidence and form your own opinion.

    It would be absolutely crazy to believe your favourite site (whether that is BBC or a "non-mainstream" source) is telling the truth all the time. Some of the preachers here are unwittingly falling into that exact trap.

  37. #117

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    You think it's funny that children are being abused?
    FAKE NEWS. Packerman didn't say that did he?

  38. #118

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R View Post
    I picked those randomly out of the 'fake news' search results, my point is they are all saying the same things, I just selected a few that's all, I've never heard of Al Monitor and I don't use foreignpolicy either.

    You must have seen some of my previous posts about the bbc?
    So, what DO you use? It's all well and good telling people to avoid certain sites, but you should really provide alternatives.

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    Re: The fake epidemic of fake news

    Quote Originally Posted by Kris View Post
    Why are you asking if others think a website is "reputable" or not? If they say it is, you would then need to ask if the people who recommended it are reputable or not!

    The OP has the opinion that Main Stream Media is bad, and the media she reads is good and trustworthy. Nothing wrong with that at all.

    However, where the OP is conflicted is where she preaches on telling people that Main Stream Media (BBC/CNN) are fake news peddlers. She is contradicting herself by doing the exact same thing that Main Stream Media (like Facebook/Twitter) are now doing... telling people what to believe and what not to believe.

    My rule. Read news items from as many different sources as possible. Look at the evidence, consider the gaps in evidence and form your own opinion.

    It would be absolutely crazy to believe your favourite site (whether that is BBC or a "non-mainstream" source) is telling the truth all the time. Some of the preachers here are unwittingly falling into that exact trap.
    That is what I do, I'm not telling anyone what to believe, I'm just saying what I believe, I don't care if people agree or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kris View Post
    FAKE NEWS. Packerman didn't say that did he?
    I posted a factual statement regarding a huge CP ring that was discovered on Twitter, and the only action they took was to ban the person who had made the discovery and reported it. Also the MSM failed to make any mention of this discovery (or the recently exposed Norwegian CP ring).

    Meanwhile Twitter had entered into the war on "fake" news by banning people and tweets that conflicted with their own views, i.e. a liberal agenda.

    My post was then met with an ad hominem attack upon myself, which I consider to be an attempt to cast doubt on the original message.

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