You make it sound like the 48% all live in Richmond.Originally Posted by Bluebird since 1948
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You make it sound like the 48% all live in Richmond.
Generally speaking the 48% live in areas like Richmond, outside of Scotland. I have no problem with the 48% having a say in Brexit, I have a problem with them trying to stop it from happening.
That doesn't stand up to scrutiny, the 48% live all around the UK and consist of people from all walks of life - just like Leave voters.
"Generally speaking".
Well to you maybe life is simple, the 48% are all liberal elites who live in places like Richmond. Is stockport full of liberal elites? Leeds is packed full of liberal elites. Northern Ireland also? Even in Harlow, a place where a polish man was beaten to death for not speaking English just a few months after the vote, 31% voted remain, was that just the liberal elites too?
What is a "walk of life"?
This data clearly shows that the UK is divided between the working and work-less, the young and the old, white and black, working class and middle class, and between the university-educated and those who haven't had that privilege.
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http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06...voted-and-why/
Yeah divided but not the kind of whitewash being suggested by BS1948 by any stretch of the imagination. 'Generally speaking the 48% live in areas like Richmond' is clearly rubbish.
Perhaps I shouldn't have specified individuals but areas. In England and Wales the more middles class, urban areas voted to remain and the poorer post industrial areas voted to leave. Places like Richmond voted to remain whereas places like Romford voted to leave. Both suburbs of London but have very different socio-economic make up. There are the odd exceptions off course but the poorest constituencies voted to leave and the richest to remain.
Just another point for discussion, do any of you agree with me that Brexit is the best thing to ever happen to the Lib Dems? If we had voted to remain what the hell would they be talking about now? Brexit has given them a new burst of life and although I find him frustrating and hopelessly deluded Timmy Farron has really put them back on the political map.
You are still missing the point though. I have said all along has been that even in really strong leave/remain areas, 30% of people have voted the other way.
Yes the Lib Dems have been given an open goal really. Labour cant touch it because their potential vote is so split between leave/remain. Tories become the party of Hard Brexit, Lib Dems become the party of 'Remain', UKIP moan about the government and Labour hide in the middle somewhere trying not to upset people.
What all of that data shows to me is that even in the so called smallest grouping (18 to 24 year olds who voted leave), more than one in four of those voting in that age group favoured leaving the EU. When you consider that twenty seven per cent is more than the party which has an overall majority in parliament currently got out of the eligible vote in the 2015 General Election, then the picture painted doesn't look quite as dramatic as you try to paint it - I'd be interested to see what a breakdown between the parties based on the groupings used there looked like after a closely fought General Election (e.g. 2010).
One thing the data shows absolutely clearly is that in all but one of the categories (the one I mentioned earlier) at least a third of those who voted did not go with the overall verdict for their grouping. Given that over thirty three and a half million people voted in the referendum, we have to be talking about very significant numbers who voted against the grain so to speak in their grouping, so I think it's entirely reasonable to argue that people from "all walks of life" voted for both sides - it's certainly more reasonable than the assertion that all of those who voted remain were "generally speaking" from places like Richmond.
Finally I couldn't help but note the interesting use of language in the analysis of figures you provided where it says "Among private renters and people with mortgages, a small majority (55% and 54%) voted to remain". While it's true that the majorities involved there were on the smallish side, they were a fair bit bigger than the one in the overall referendum and, yet, increasingly, I hear leave voters arguing that there is a clear majority for the version of Brexit they favour - there is no evidence at all that this is true.
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