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Ok what am I missing . The guy is hopeless , can't jump more than 2 inches off the ground and we lump the ball up to him time and time again.
Lots of people giving him 6 and sevens rating for yesterday's game . He was a two , he is no Gestede that put fear into defences . I am obviously missing the contribution he makes , I thought I watched him closely yesterday , and for me he did nothing . Put me right guys and I will try and see what everyone else is seeing .
I see him as one on many very ordinary footballers who must earn shedloads of money without even looking like he has any real talent. And City has quite a few of them.Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock
Agreed. He is no better than many that we have discarded.
At last I saw something in him. Big and strong for both his goal and his one on one with the keeper (which he missed)
Cmon son, you can do it ...
Thought he did OK Jimmy-felt he held the ball up and brought others into play quite nicely.He had little support but I would agree he isn't he greatest in the air.He has exceeded my expectations of him in the last two games but you could argue that wasn't difficult.I think he is probably a better impact player than a 90 minute player.
He hassled their defence, held the ball up well and brought others into play
Its hard for strikers to do well when their supply and support is as poor as it was yesterday
I don't know how you can say he doesn't put fear in defences Jim.
Granted he's not Thierry Henry but he looks far more accomplished than Gestede did in his time with us.
I accept that he didn't win much aerial ball yesterday but Roberts was superb and Lambert didn't win anything against him either.
He made two great little runs in the first half around the corner which resulted in the keeper having to make saves and i think he has stacks of pace and power personally.
There is no doubt that he is raw and he is still finding his feet but i think with the right coaching he can be a real prospect in this division as long as the fan base gives him a chance and don't boo him every time he makes a mistake.
I think this best chimes with my view of Zohore. He has all the natural attributes needed and now just needs to learn the dark arts of his trade a little better. I have the feeling that once he feels he belongs on the park that he'll become a real force for us. With Bellers now involved in coaching too, then we have a very intriguing prospect here.
You could be right,he is very raw but he does seem to have improved in a short space of time
he hasYou could be right,he is very raw but he does seem to have improved in a short space of time
I for one could never see a footballer in Gestede, nothing of note about him, that might seem a little harsh but having watched all the games LFW played for us, i thought i could spot a awkward clumsy striker who brought something to the party
Reading between the lines , "he one for the future" at best . If he is worrying defenders it must be out of my site line. I doubt he will become an illustrious striker for us or anyone else.
I could see Gestede was a nuisance striker who was raw , he never became a 6 million pound striker though . He hit a purple patch in his career and was lucky enough to benefit from it .
Tandy does have a point to a degree here , Slade brought in Revell who was also useless but tried really hard , the fans never took to him , quite rightly , but are more willing to give Zohore a chance.
Immers came on the other day , made one mistake and the crowd got right on his back , his confidence evaporated immediately .
I may come on here and air some negative views but would never let a Cardiff player know during a game that I felt he was less than the best thing since sliced bread .
You won't find too many larger strikers who are consistently dangerous at the age of 22. Does Kenneth do enough to suggest he's worth the effort into allowing him to develop?
Warnock was full of praise for him in his after game press conference although he did say that he'll be bringing in a striker in the window.
It may be a shame to cast him out where he could go on to better things (Gestede). His place is really on the bench as an impact player for 20 minutes where he can worry opposition defenders.
Tbf, he's not that good. It's just that compared to the strikers we have had over the last few years he seems good. He does worry defenders and he puts himself about a bit.
I struggle to remember the last time one of our strikers worried a defender.
I think it's also because he's so much better than he was in his earlier appearances.
Understand the OP posing the question and IMO, there have been some very flattering comments over the past week regarding Zahore.
What I would say though (didnt see the Wolves game mind) is at least we are trying to play a bit more to his strengths, i.e. supporting him from midfield, unlike his previous boss and as such, he has shown to be a lot more capable than everyone gave him credit for under Slade.
The difference I noticed in him was for once he looked interested. There was one situation in the first half where he won the ball in a defensive position deep in our half, gave it out to the left winger (Noone had changed sides I think) and showed the defenders a clean pair of heals desperate for the return killer pass à la Michael Chopra. Unfortunately, Noone didn't read this and tried to take his man on and the break fizzled out.
I don't think he is anywhere near a Gestede, certainly not a Bothroyd, but given a run and properly nurtured, he could be an asset.
If I played , you would say I was better than his earlier appearances.
Do agree all I would say is he's a long away from being a solution as a main front man , perhaps he would make a decent bench man and play as an off the shoulder striker, worry for me we had a striker better than Kenneth and the visionary manager at the time couldn't see his potential, so spent 10 million plus on a vanity project, performance coach be buggered.
Middlesbrough had the best defensive record in the Championship last season and Burnley the second best. If you were to ask the central defenders of the latter how they rated Zohore, I'm guessing it would be pretty highly because he caused them problems when he came on at Turf Moor in April and almost won the game for us. He wasn't as effective at Middlesbrough,k but I can remember the radio commentators saying that our attacking play improved when he came on. So, he was effective against last season's champions and didn't do badly against the runner's up - he also almost rescued a point for us from 2-0 down at Brentford with less than five minutes left.
Of course, there was a lot of poor stuff to go with that, but, at his best, he was able to trouble good Championship defences and now this season, after four months of mediocre play when he was given a first team chance, he has come in and been one of our best two or three players for our last game and a half.
I compared him to Jay Bothroyd on my blog piece for the Barnsley match, but only to make the point that, like Jay, he strikes me as a striker with a target man build who does his best and most effective work when the ball is played into his feet. I've also seen him compared to Rudy Gestede, but I don't get that - Gestede was a lot more effective in the air when he was here, but I remember he had to be taught how to run properly when he first came to Cardiff, Zohore is a more athletic player than Gestede and I'd say is a better all round footballer than Rudy was during his first year at City.
I'd say that Zohore has the physical attributes to be a very good forward (still not convinced he'll ever be a consistent goalscorer) at Championship level if his mentality is right - maybe Craig Bellamy can pass on some of his playing mentality to Zohore because a tall, strong, mobile and quick striker in his early to mid twenties with a Bellamy type mindset would have a big future in the game.
Warnock putting the gloss on and encouraging KZ to perform, while in a cunning way saying 'play consistently or be replaced'.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38358270
Good post in a good thread. I'm certainly wishing Zohore well, he's working his socks off, things seem to be happening around him and hopefully a goal or two at first team level will help him push on. The way he took his second goal in the recent DVP game, calmly dinking the ball over the on-rushing keeper, suggests he might be a decent finisher when his confidence is high although I'm not holding my breath on that. I'm glad it wasn't him who missed the late chance which cost us the win on Saturday. I was surprised how little criticism there was after Zohore's flick and Pilkington's excellent awareness had set up a perfect chance for Lambert, when he finally got there. If Zohore (or Fred) had missed then we'd never have heard the last of it.
I wish him all the best , yeah he is working hard, no one worked harder than Revell... The one point you and Bob have made is he may never be a prolific finisher, not a great attribute for a centre forward.
Re Lambert
If Zohore or Fred wandered about the centre circle aimlessly and decided when they wanted taken off because they had had enough (which Lambert does) they would be back in the DVP scoring wonder goals in jig time .
Lambert still has that touch that good footballers have , he always will have.
Great replies all the way through the thread, I feel I have indeed missed the guys talents.
Just look at my contribution to Gunnarsons recent career, the only way is up for Zohore.
My entire optimism for Zohore is based on your assessment of his abilityI wish him all the best , yeah he is working hard, no one worked harder than Revell... The one point you and Bob have made is he may never be a prolific finisher, not a great attribute for a centre forward.
Re Lambert
If Zohore or Fred wandered about the centre circle aimlessly and decided when they wanted taken off because they had had enough (which Lambert does) they would be back in the DVP scoring wonder goals in jig time .
Lambert still has that touch that good footballers have , he always will have.
Great replies all the way through the thread, I feel I have indeed missed the guys talents.
Just look at my contribution to Gunnarsons recent career, the only way is up for Zohore.
Bob you are saying he ruffled some feathers in a couple of games last season. Ok great . A comparison with Jay Bothryod ? Initially I thought WOW but reading on I see your point , get the ball to him on the deck. We dont though, we lump it up to him , generally he is in a good position to receive the high ball ,unfortunately his legs lack any spring. Changing the Warnock way to suit Zohore is highly unlikely.
I am going to take on board your comments and watch him again closely at Brighton , where he will probably get a bit more space, I do want him to succeed, I want all the players to succeed but I find it a little strange I am not seeing the same type of player that others are.
Warnock coming out and giving him a fair bit of praise shows he thinks he may have something. My guess is we will sign a centre forward in the window despite Warnocks words.
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