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    ToBW

    Reminds me of the character in Dream Academys Life in a Northern Town.
    "He sat on the stoney ground, and he took a cigarette out, and everyone else, came round, to listen".
    Whilst I enjoy most of his blogs, the majority of responses from fellow posters, seem almost "desciple' like.
    The latest one didn't strike any chords with me.
    A fighting performance against a piss poor Villa side, is not gonna get my juices flowing.
    His references about Malky, and the so called gory days, with just a fleeting reference of the dates, and no mention of Jones seems typical.
    We played some of the best football ever seen from a City team under DJ, and were a whisker away from winning the FA cup, and promotion to the premier league, with a lesser budget, and IN BLUE.
    I do like most of Bobs Write ups and blogs, but this one seems as premature as a schoolboy looking through the window of a strip club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    Reminds me of the character in Dream Academys Life in a Northern Town.
    "He sat on the stoney ground, and he took a cigarette out, and everyone else, came round, to listen".
    Whilst I enjoy most of his blogs, the majority of responses from fellow posters, seem almost "desciple' like.
    The latest one didn't strike any chords with me.
    A fighting performance against a piss poor Villa side, is not gonna get my juices flowing.
    His references about Malky, and the so called gory days, with just a fleeting reference of the dates, and no mention of Jones seems typical.
    We played some of the best football ever seen from a City team under DJ, and were a whisker away from winning the FA cup, and promotion to the premier league, with a lesser budget, and IN BLUE.
    I do like most of Bobs Write ups and blogs, but this one seems as premature as a schoolboy looking through the window of a strip club.
    Do one yourself then, and we can compare your talent with his.

    Please learn to spell before you do it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    Reminds me of the character in Dream Academys Life in a Northern Town.
    "He sat on the stoney ground, and he took a cigarette out, and everyone else, came round, to listen".
    Whilst I enjoy most of his blogs, the majority of responses from fellow posters, seem almost "desciple' like.
    The latest one didn't strike any chords with me.
    A fighting performance against a piss poor Villa side, is not gonna get my juices flowing.
    His references about Malky, and the so called gory days, with just a fleeting reference of the dates, and no mention of Jones seems typical.
    We played some of the best football ever seen from a City team under DJ, and were a whisker away from winning the FA cup, and promotion to the premier league, with a lesser budget, and IN BLUE.
    I do like most of Bobs Write ups and blogs, but this one seems as premature as a schoolboy looking through the window of a strip club.
    Quote Originally Posted by rich munn View Post
    Do one yourself then, and we can compare your talent with his.

    Please learn to spell before you do it.

    Disciple no 1. Straight in with the boot!. It's an opinion, and only an opinion. Are we not allowed those on here? Sorry I missed the "L" out of glory. I will try harder in future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    Disciple no 1. Straight in with the boot!. It's an opinion, and only an opinion. Are we not allowed those on here? Sorry I missed the "L" out of glory. I will try harder in future.
    You need to.


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    Not sure why you couldn't have debated this in the thread concerned.

  6. #6

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    Disciple no 1. Straight in with the boot!. It's an opinion, and only an opinion. Are we not allowed those on here? Sorry I missed the "L" out of glory. I will try harder in future.
    I actually think leaving the 'L' out works just as well...those 10 consecutive wins weren't great viewing

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    Reminds me of the character in Dream Academys Life in a Northern Town.
    "He sat on the stoney ground, and he took a cigarette out, and everyone else, came round, to listen".
    Whilst I enjoy most of his blogs, the majority of responses from fellow posters, seem almost "desciple' like.
    The latest one didn't strike any chords with me.
    A fighting performance against a piss poor Villa side, is not gonna get my juices flowing.
    His references about Malky, and the so called gory days, with just a fleeting reference of the dates, and no mention of Jones seems typical.
    We played some of the best football ever seen from a City team under DJ, and were a whisker away from winning the FA cup, and promotion to the premier league, with a lesser budget, and IN BLUE.
    I do like most of Bobs Write ups and blogs, but this one seems as premature as a schoolboy looking through the window of a strip club.
    Quote Originally Posted by bluethrough View Post
    Not sure why you couldn't have debated this in the thread concerned.
    The more football threads on here the better ?. Your right though. I probably should have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    Reminds me of the character in Dream Academys Life in a Northern Town.
    "He sat on the stoney ground, and he took a cigarette out, and everyone else, came round, to listen".
    Whilst I enjoy most of his blogs, the majority of responses from fellow posters, seem almost "desciple' like.
    The latest one didn't strike any chords with me.
    A fighting performance against a piss poor Villa side, is not gonna get my juices flowing.
    His references about Malky, and the so called gory days, with just a fleeting reference of the dates, and no mention of Jones seems typical.
    We played some of the best football ever seen from a City team under DJ, and were a whisker away from winning the FA cup, and promotion to the premier league, with a lesser budget, and IN BLUE.
    I do like most of Bobs Write ups and blogs, but this one seems as premature as a schoolboy looking through the window of a strip club.
    Would you also agree that we were also capable of playing utter horseshit under Jones and had we been able to use the term 'fighting performance' under his stewardship we would have gone up under Jones? For every great result under DJ there was a shocking, spineless effort that Trollope's time succeeded in emulating.

  10. #10

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    desciple - That's wrong as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    Would you also agree that we were also capable of playing utter horseshit under Jones and had we been able to use the term 'fighting performance' under his stewardship we would have gone up under Jones? For every great result under DJ there was a shocking, spineless effort that Trollope's time succeeded in emulating.
    I was a big fan of D.J But a fighting spirit was the missing factor in his sides.

  12. #12

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    Would you also agree that we were also capable of playing utter horseshit under Jones and had we been able to use the term 'fighting performance' under his stewardship we would have gone up under Jones? For every great result under DJ there was a shocking, spineless effort that Trollope's time succeeded in emulating.
    That's a fair point, but surely Jones name should never be uttered in the same sentence as Trollope?

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    That's a fair point, but surely Jones name should never be uttered in the same sentence as Trollope?
    Did DJ shag a trollop ? :xmashehe:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    Would you also agree that we were also capable of playing utter horseshit under Jones and had we been able to use the term 'fighting performance' under his stewardship we would have gone up under Jones? For every great result under DJ there was a shocking, spineless effort that Trollope's time succeeded in emulating.
    Come to think about it, we've played utter horseshite at times under any manager I can remember.

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    Reminds me of the character in Dream Academys Life in a Northern Town.
    "He sat on the stoney ground, and he took a cigarette out, and everyone else, came round, to listen".
    Whilst I enjoy most of his blogs, the majority of responses from fellow posters, seem almost "desciple' like.
    The latest one didn't strike any chords with me.
    A fighting performance against a piss poor Villa side, is not gonna get my juices flowing.
    His references about Malky, and the so called gory days, with just a fleeting reference of the dates, and no mention of Jones seems typical.
    We played some of the best football ever seen from a City team under DJ, and were a whisker away from winning the FA cup, and promotion to the premier league, with a lesser budget, and IN BLUE.
    I do like most of Bobs Write ups and blogs, but this one seems as premature as a schoolboy looking through the window of a strip club.
    Your reaction to someone who disagreed with you is that everyone is entitled to their opinion and I'll say the same to you - I was aware of the possibility that it could look as if I was jumping to conclusions too early, so covered myself, or thought I did, with the use of the word "seem" in the title of the piece and with the analogy that a frost could still kill off those "green shoots of recovery" I mentioned. Still, if you disagree with me, then fine - unlike some I can think of, all comments really are welcome.

    That said, I can't help thinking that you misunderstood my intention in using Malky Mackay's 2011/12 team as a foundation to build the piece on. Any notion that I was intending to be critical of Dave Jones somehow exists in your head rather than mine - that was never the reasoning behind what I wrote. My point was that five years ago to the day since the Villa match there was an occasion when the club we support felt like "our Cardiff City" and there were a few more before the end of the 11/12 season when it felt like that. Since then though there have been a series of events, starting with the rebrand, which have dictated that it has barely ever felt like "our Cardiff City".

    Recent home matches have seen an increase in excitement and entertainment and, for me, the atmosphere has improved in proportion to this. So many people and players have come and gone from the club in the last few years who never got to see what I'd call a genuine City atmosphere was like, but, if Monday does turn out to be Bruno Manga's last match for us, at least he can leave now having experienced what it feels like on occasions when it is "our Cardiff City" performing out there on the pitch.

    One last thing regarding Dave Jones. I feel that Neil Warnock and Malky Mackay possess a degree of charisma that Dave Jones doesn't, but you will see that I said

    "So, as I've mentioned in one or two earlier pieces, home matches have become more enjoyable under Neil Warnock, but, five years to the day since that Reading game I mentioned at the start and with Joe Ralls again to the fore, the beating of this expensively assembled Villa team moved things on to a different level - this was what supporting Cardiff City used to feel like on one of those very good days that we had become used to experiencing on a fairly regular basis between the years of 2000 to 2012."

    in my piece, the date range I mentioned covered the whole of the period when Dave Jones was manager. There were plenty of occasions during Dave Jones' time in charge when it felt like "our Cardiff City" - I'm just so pleased that it's beginning to feel like that again under Neil Warnock, because it never did under Ole, Russell Slade or Paul Trollope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Your reaction to someone who disagreed with you is that everyone is entitled to their opinion and I'll say the same to you - I was aware of the possibility that it could look as if I was jumping to conclusions too early, so covered myself, or thought I did, with the use of the word "seem" in the title of the piece and with the analogy that a frost could still kill off those "green shoots of recovery" I mentioned. Still, if you disagree with me, then fine - unlike some I can think of, all comments really are welcome.

    That said, I can't help thinking that you misunderstood my intention in using Malky Mackay's 2011/12 team as a foundation to build the piece on. Any notion that I was intending to be critical of Dave Jones somehow exists in your head rather than mine - that was never the reasoning behind what I wrote. My point was that five years ago to the day since the Villa match there was an occasion when the club we support felt like "our Cardiff City" and there were a few more before the end of the 11/12 season when it felt like that. Since then though there have been a series of events, starting with the rebrand, which have dictated that it has barely ever felt like "our Cardiff City".

    Recent home matches have seen an increase in excitement and entertainment and, for me, the atmosphere has improved in proportion to this. So many people and players have come and gone from the club in the last few years who never got to see what I'd call a genuine City atmosphere was like, but, if Monday does turn out to be Bruno Manga's last match for us, at least he can leave now having experienced what it feels like on occasions when it is "our Cardiff City" performing out there on the pitch.

    One last thing regarding Dave Jones. I feel that Neil Warnock and Malky Mackay possess a degree of charisma that Dave Jones doesn't, but you will see that I said

    "So, as I've mentioned in one or two earlier pieces, home matches have become more enjoyable under Neil Warnock, but, five years to the day since that Reading game I mentioned at the start and with Joe Ralls again to the fore, the beating of this expensively assembled Villa team moved things on to a different level - this was what supporting Cardiff City used to feel like on one of those very good days that we had become used to experiencing on a fairly regular basis between the years of 2000 to 2012."

    in my piece, the date range I mentioned covered the whole of the period when Dave Jones was manager. There were plenty of occasions during Dave Jones' time in charge when it felt like "our Cardiff City" - I'm just so pleased that it's beginning to feel like that again under Neil Warnock, because it never did under Ole, Russell Slade or Paul Trollope.
    Some fair points there. I do feel though, that Jones "lack of charisma" was almost certainly (in my opinion) due to the bitterness he must have felt over the false allegations and the traumatic time he and his family had faced.
    I'm amazed he carried on in the game at all.
    That said, he was earning a good living at the time from us, and rightly so, shouldn't have been, and wasn't, exempt from Critiscism, for some of the spineless displays from his teams.
    As for the feeling of "it's our Cardiff City again", then I agree with you about Warnock. I've always wanted him to manage us. He always gives 100%, what ever club he's at, and his teams usually reflect his siege mentality.
    As I said, I usually enjoy your contributions and blogs, but with all that's happened since the play off defeat against West Ham, I feel it's gonna take a lot more than a few battling performances before it feels like my Cardiff City again.
    By the way, my earliest memories of supporting the City, was following a sleeping giant, who regularly put in inept performances, and never seemed to be going in anywhere fast,in any direction for most of the time. Lol!

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    Reminds me of the character in Dream Academys Life in a Northern Town.
    "He sat on the stoney ground, and he took a cigarette out, and everyone else, came round, to listen".
    Whilst I enjoy most of his blogs, the majority of responses from fellow posters, seem almost "desciple' like.
    The latest one didn't strike any chords with me.
    A fighting performance against a piss poor Villa side, is not gonna get my juices flowing.
    His references about Malky, and the so called gory days, with just a fleeting reference of the dates, and no mention of Jones seems typical.
    We played some of the best football ever seen from a City team under DJ, and were a whisker away from winning the FA cup, and promotion to the premier league, with a lesser budget, and IN BLUE.
    I do like most of Bobs Write ups and blogs, but this one seems as premature as a schoolboy looking through the window of a strip club.
    What a refreshing and guileless post. I like people who think for themselves. You are completely wrong, of course, but that doesn't matter because you are an independent thinker and not a member of the in-group of politically correct dullards and tinpot tyrants who are destroying this messageboard. You know the type : "You are a bad man and I'm going to put you in cornfield".

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Vincent View Post
    What a refreshing and guileless post. I like people who think for themselves. You are completely wrong, of course, but that doesn't matter because you are an independent thinker and not a member of the in-group of politically correct dullards and tinpot tyrants who are destroying this messageboard. You know the type : "You are a bad man and I'm going to put you in cornfield".
    Guileless. Now there's a word you don't see very often. I have to ask. Are you Organ in disguise?

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    Guileless. Now there's a word you don't see very often. I have to ask. Are you Organ in disguise?
    I don't know why you would think that. Organ is a relatively young man with a humorous outlook on the world. I am a grumpy and world weary old man who rarely finds anything funny. In fact, I don't think I have laughed since I saw Peter Sellers in The Party in 1969.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Vincent View Post
    I don't know why you would think that. Organ is a relatively young man with a humorous outlook on the world. I am a grumpy and world weary old man who rarely finds anything funny. In fact, I don't think I have laughed since I saw Peter Sellers in The Party in 1969.
    Surely a you managed a laugh the first time you saw us run out at home in red?

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    Reminds me of the character in Dream Academys Life in a Northern Town.
    "He sat on the stoney ground, and he took a cigarette out, and everyone else, came round, to listen".
    Whilst I enjoy most of his blogs, the majority of responses from fellow posters, seem almost "desciple' like.
    The latest one didn't strike any chords with me.
    A fighting performance against a piss poor Villa side, is not gonna get my juices flowing.
    His references about Malky, and the so called gory days, with just a fleeting reference of the dates, and no mention of Jones seems typical.
    We played some of the best football ever seen from a City team under DJ, and were a whisker away from winning the FA cup, and promotion to the premier league, with a lesser budget, and IN BLUE.
    I do like most of Bobs Write ups and blogs, but this one seems as premature as a schoolboy looking through the window of a strip club.
    I found his latest blog bizarre regarding comments made about Tan.

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    First rule of TOBW:

    You dont talk (shit) about TOBW.

    **** with Bob, you **** with all of us.

    He's like the Lemmy of this board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Lecter View Post
    First rule of TOBW:

    You dont talk (shit) about TOBW.

    **** with Bob, you **** with all of us.

    He's like the Lemmy of this board.
    If your gonna aim. Aim high.
    If your going after the mafia, you take the Don out first. 😎

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Lecter View Post
    First rule of TOBW:

    You dont talk (shit) about TOBW.

    **** with Bob, you **** with all of us.

    He's like the Lemmy of this board.
    Well, i didn't see that coming :xmashehe:.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kris View Post
    I found his latest blog bizarre regarding comments made about Tan.
    Sorry, but you're going to have to help me here, was what I said about Tan "bizarre" because I said he wasn't to blame for all that has gone wrong at the club since May 2012 or because I thought he was to blame for any of it?

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    Re: ToBW

    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    If your gonna aim. Aim high.
    If your going after the mafia, you take the Don out first. ��
    Are you looking to take over as one of the CCMB Footy thread Dons?!

    Fair play, it's good to have a wealth of diverse contributions and we do need healthy debate, but your few slightly bizarre posts that look like they come from somebody's 'multi' and an exceptionally limp quiz that nobody was interested in wont cut it ;)

    If you are keen to make these combative analogies, I'd suggest that you don't go into battle with a (rather bent looking) pea-shooter.

    I admit, like I'm more than a reader than a skilled contributor, but I'm looking forward to enjoying your thought provoking contributions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vimana. View Post
    Are you looking to take over as one of the CCMB Footy thread Dons?!

    Fair play, it's good to have a wealth of diverse contributions and we do need healthy debate, but your few slightly bizarre posts that look like they come from somebody's 'multi' and an exceptionally limp quiz that nobody was interested in wont cut it ;)

    If you are keen to make these combative analogies, I'd suggest that you don't go into battle with a (rather bent looking) pea-shooter.

    I admit, like I'm more than a reader than a skilled contributor, but I'm looking forward to enjoying your thought provoking contributions.
    Just looking to have bit of banter and some fun fella. There is more to life than the team we support, but you wouldn't think so reading this MB. Most people on here seem to be constantly on the defensive, and offended by everything. Just look at some of the replies because I dared to question one of ToBW's blogs.
    I said in my first ever post, that I wouldn' be boosting the IQ average on here, and I meant it. 😜
    I'm not looking to "take over" anything. I'm just a minute sum of the total parts on here.
    Lighten up 👍

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    Yes sah! Already lightened up and ready for action - sah!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vimana. View Post
    Yes sah! Already lightened up and ready for action - sah!
    Good lad. You know it makes sense 👍

  30. #30

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    The more football threads on here the better ?. Your right though. I probably should have.
    ''You're right though'' - sorry!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    Would you also agree that we were also capable of playing utter horseshit under Jones and had we been able to use the term 'fighting performance' under his stewardship we would have gone up under Jones? For every great result under DJ there was a shocking, spineless effort that Trollope's time succeeded in emulating.
    I can't agree with that I'm sorry.

    Where I agree about the shocking and almost unbelievable capitulations that we witnessed under DJ that saw the team miss out on promotion, they were far, FAR outweighed by the number of games when the team played well, otherwise surely the team would have been at the other end of the table?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby Dandruff View Post
    I can't agree with that I'm sorry.

    Where I agree about the shocking and almost unbelievable capitulations that we witnessed under DJ that saw the team miss out on promotion, they were far, FAR outweighed by the number of games when the team played well, otherwise surely the team would have been at the other end of the table?!
    Eric was a Jones hater, way above and beyond the call of duty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby Dandruff View Post
    ''You're right though'' - sorry!

    No need to apologise. I'ts good to be pulled up when one makes a mistake. No harm in keeping people on their toes! 👍

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vimana. View Post
    Are you looking to take over as one of the CCMB Footy thread Dons?!

    Fair play, it's good to have a wealth of diverse contributions and we do need healthy debate, but your few slightly bizarre posts that look like they come from somebody's 'multi' and an exceptionally limp quiz that nobody was interested in wont cut it ;)

    If you are keen to make these combative analogies, I'd suggest that you don't go into battle with a (rather bent looking) pea-shooter.

    I admit, like I'm more than a reader than a skilled contributor, but I'm looking forward to enjoying your thought provoking contributions.
    By the way. I thought the question I posed , in my "limp quiz" was a good thought provoking question. It needed a lot of working out, and a lot of football knowledge. The only reply was from a whippersnapper who admitted he didn't even know that the European cup went as far back as 1955. Ah well. You can but try 😔
    Last edited by William Treseder; 05-01-17 at 09:53. Reason: Mid spelling

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock View Post
    Eric was a Jones hater, way above and beyond the call of duty.
    Well that is just daft.

    Each manager and player should be judged on their merits, performances and results.

    Jones was at the club a while and delivered some good times and good football (importantly) as well as the occasional toe-curlingly bad ones.

    Trollope on the other hand.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Sorry, but you're going to have to help me here, was what I said about Tan "bizarre" because I said he wasn't to blame for all that has gone wrong at the club since May 2012
    Yes.

    He is the one at the top. His decisions permeate down. Mackay overspent? Tan should have controlled that.

    Bad feeling among fans. I think Cardiff fans would have been mature enough to accept relegation from the top flight. There were protests before the game against Man City, the first home game of the season. Who should be to blame for that?

    Tan toppled the first domino and is responsible for the state of the club now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rich munn View Post
    You need to.

    Why does he?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kris View Post
    Yes.

    He is the one at the top. His decisions permeate down. Mackay overspent? Tan should have controlled that.

    Bad feeling among fans. I think Cardiff fans would have been mature enough to accept relegation from the top flight. There were protests before the game against Man City, the first home game of the season. Who should be to blame for that?

    Tan toppled the first domino and is responsible for the state of the club now.
    So, you blame Tan alone for, say, the Cornelius signing, the appointment of Ole, the boring style of play adopted by one of our recent managers and the complete absence of players from our Academy making first team debuts since Declan John nearly three and a half years ago?

    I agree Tan is to blame for an awful lot of what went wrong after summer 2012, but I don't see how a case can be made against him for the last two criteria I mention in particular. I would say it would be "bizarre" to claim that he was to blame for Slade's boring football and the lack of young, home grown talent coming into the first team - using your logic, Tan will be entirely responsible if the improvement seen in the first team since Warnock arrived is maintained and if we suddenly start bringing in youngsters who prosper in the first team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby Dandruff View Post
    Well that is just daft.

    Each manager and player should be judged on their merits, performances and results.

    Jones was at the club a while and delivered some good times and good football (importantly) as well as the occasional toe-curlingly bad ones.

    Trollope on the other hand.......
    If Trollope had cut it , we would have been playing some great football .
    He didn't .
    That said I do enjoy Warnocks blood and thunder style .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Lecter View Post
    First rule of TOBW:

    You dont talk (shit) about TOBW.

    **** with Bob, you **** with all of us.

    He's like the Lemmy of this board.
    Yeah!!! Right!!!!

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