Vincent Tan's £10m legal battle with Malky, Moody & three agents. A view from the Asian media

[Rhiw-Blue]

I think you might be surprised.

If anything was proved then my mind would change instantly but looking from the outside in, the source of it all appears to be a clueless Asian businessman not understanding that his employee could get one transfer so badly wrong and that he was the fans darling and not the owner himself.

Cornelius was clearly an error of judgement and one that VT went very public on but what manager doesn't buy a dud now and again.

Here's some of Malkys other targets during his time here:

Jamie Vardy
Virgil van dijk
Jay Rodriguez
Victor wanyama
Kurt Zouma

He also signed Troy Deeney for peanuts for Watford.

That's well over £100 million worth of talent there. Maybe Tan should have backed him more?

You may have heard rumours as have I but if there was anything more substantial to these I'm sure Malkay would have been dragged through the courts before now. As it stands he's guilty of receiving a few texts from a friend and I suspect nothing else will be found too but let's see.

[Vindec]

There is no point pre judging this case. But the fact Tan wants the case heard in an open Court and the fact the other side doesn't suggests there is possibly something to hide. There have always been long held suspicions that transfer dealings involving agents reside in a very murky World. When the facts are revealed is the time to judge whether the case has merit, not now.

[jon1959]

If anything was proved then my mind would change instantly but looking from the outside in, the source of it all appears to be a clueless Asian businessman not understanding that his employee could get one transfer so badly wrong and that he was the fans darling and not the owner himself.

Cornelius was clearly an error of judgement and one that VT went very public on but what manager doesn't buy a dud now and again.

Here's some of Malkys other targets during his time here:

Jamie Vardy
Virgil van dijk
Jay Rodriguez
Victor wanyama
Kurt Zouma

He also signed Troy Deeney for peanuts for Watford.

That's well over £100 million worth of talent there. Maybe Tan should have backed him more?

You may have heard rumours as have I but if there was anything more substantial to these I'm sure Malkay would have been dragged through the courts before now. As it stands he's guilty of receiving a few texts from a friend and I suspect nothing else will be found too but let's see.

Didn't he admit to sending three of the offensive texts when he made his public apology?

[the other bob wilson]

Didn't he admit to sending three of the offensive texts when he made his public apology?

Yes he did, but he's right that we were linked with all five of the players he mentioned, with bids put in for at least two of them and. according to Wikipedia, Watford signed Deeney for a maximum of £500,000 - what a bargain that turned out to be.

Going back to those texts and e-mails, the writer of the article is wrong when they say

"An unsavoury scandal over allegedly racist and homophobic text messages sent by Mackay to his player recruitment chief, Iain Moody, left Tan with no option but it is clear that there was bad blood before the text message scandal put an end to Mackay’s time at Cardiff."

because they were only discovered after Mackay had been sacked by the club - not that it excuses Mackay at all, but there is no admission either that the huge majority of the offensive messages were sent by Moody.

My attitude towards Mackay changed after those messages came out, but in a day and age when the man running for the job of American President can make offensive tweets and speeches about people from other nations and cultures and still get elected and many, including quite a few on here, constantly rail against "political correctness gone mad", should those three messages Mackay sent out of what I believe were hundreds of thousands really mean that he should be penalised as much as he has been when it comes to his career since leaving Cardiff?

If Mackay and the others are guilty of the financial irregularities Tan claims they were alleges, then they deserve to have the book thrown at them, but, until then, my judgment of where he ranks among City managers will remain the same - he made mistakes (e.g. Cornelius), but, in football terms, he's right up there with the best City bosses I've seen.

[stan butler]

If anything was proved then my mind would change instantly but looking from the outside in, the source of it all appears to be a clueless Asian businessman not understanding that his employee could get one transfer so badly wrong and that he was the fans darling and not the owner himself.

Cornelius was clearly an error of judgement and one that VT went very public on but what manager doesn't buy a dud now and again.

Here's some of Malkys other targets during his time here:

Jamie Vardy
Virgil van dijk
Jay Rodriguez
Victor wanyama
Kurt Zouma

He also signed Troy Deeney for peanuts for Watford.

That's well over £100 million worth of talent there. Maybe Tan should have backed him more?

You may have heard rumours as have I but if there was anything more substantial to these I'm sure Malkay would have been dragged through the courts before now. As it stands he's guilty of receiving a few texts from a friend and I suspect nothing else will be found too but let's see.

[WJ99mobile]

If anything was proved then my mind would change instantly but looking from the outside in, the source of it all appears to be a clueless Asian businessman not understanding that his employee could get one transfer so badly wrong and that he was the fans darling and not the owner himself.

Cornelius was clearly an error of judgement and one that VT went very public on but what manager doesn't buy a dud now and again.

Here's some of Malkys other targets during his time here:

Jamie Vardy
Virgil van dijk
Jay Rodriguez
Victor wanyama
Kurt Zouma

He also signed Troy Deeney for peanuts for Watford.

That's well over £100 million worth of talent there. Maybe Tan should have backed him more?

You may have heard rumours as have I but if there was anything more substantial to these I'm sure Malkay would have been dragged through the courts before now. As it stands he's guilty of receiving a few texts from a friend and I suspect nothing else will be found too but let's see.

Those names are great but only really feasible as Tan was willing to back financially. Malky brought some decent players here but he didn't get any on the 'cheap'.

I was a massive fan of Malky but the fact Tan is spending the money trying to 'smear' Malky makes me think that there may be something behind it. No smoke without fire? Who knows. Footballing-wise he only made one mistake. I don't think he deserved to get sacked when he did. I don't even care about his 'banter' as some people's lines in the sand are totally different.

To be potentially corrupt though, that would lose all respect for me - There was absolutely no need.

[the other bob wilson]

Those names are great but only really feasible as Tan was willing to back financially. Malky brought some decent players here but he didn't get any on the 'cheap'.

I was a massive fan of Malky but the fact Tan is spending the money trying to 'smear' Malky makes me think that there may be something behind it. No smoke without fire? Who knows. Footballing-wise he only made one mistake. I don't think he deserved to get sacked when he did. I don't even care about his 'banter' as some people's lines in the sand are totally different.

To be potentially corrupt though, that would lose all respect for me - There was absolutely no need.

Gunnarsson. Cowie and Taylor didn't cost a penny in transfer fees between them and were all stalwarts of the team which got to a League Cup Final, while two of them were regulars in the side which won the Championship, as was Conway, another one who we didn't pay a fee for. Gestede came on a free and it wasn't Malky's fault that he was sold for a fraction of the amount Villa and Middlesbrough paid for him, while Conway is another one who we should have got more for. Helguson was signed for a modest fee and was a big part of the promotion team and while Jordon Mutch was hardly a cheap buy, we sold him for a healthy profit - there were some excellent signings for modest fees during the first half of Malky's time with us, but, like many managers, the problems began to arrive when he was given serious money, by Cardiff City standards anyway, to spend.

[qccfc]

Not wanting to judge MM abilities as a manager, because even though i wasn't the biggest fan its hard to argue that he isn't wasn't one of the best managers that we have ever had. He spent money because he had money available to him, every manager will spend in that situation and then every managers signings do not work out.

However if there are allegations out there. Then ideally we want them heard in an open court surely. If the judgement at the end of it is that MM did no wrong, then the matter is pretty much ended for MM and he can get on with his career elsewhere (i think he has now served his time on the matter of the txts).

It would be better for the fans of the game as a whole if the whole matter of payments to agents, and what they actually do for this money will be better to be open. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a culture of paying an agent, simply to have access to his network of players is common. However that doesn't make it correct.

[goats]

Gunnarsson. Cowie and Taylor didn't cost a penny in transfer fees between them and were all stalwarts of the team which got to a League Cup Final, while two of them were regulars in the side which won the Championship, as was Conway, another one who we didn't pay a fee for. Gestede came on a free and it wasn't Malky's fault that he was sold for a fraction of the amount Villa and Middlesbrough paid for him, while Conway is another one who we should have got more for. Helguson was signed for a modest fee and was a big part of the promotion team and while Jordon Mutch was hardly a cheap buy, we sold him for a healthy profit - there were some excellent signings for modest fees during the first half of Malky's time with us, but, like many managers, the problems began to arrive when he was given serious money, by Cardiff City standards anyway, to spend.

None if that team sound like world beaters 2bh do they?? Bit of bellers and decent keeper. Helgerson, now he is exactly what a team needs in this league. How many times did he knock in a late one??