A corbyn government would impose a limit to what you can earn

[LordKenwyne]

You are paranoid, the bit on bold doesn't imply you are in favour or against it at all. It wasn't directed at you, more a general question.

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On small/medium businesses owners? I never did comment on them.

You assumed TOBW was a rich hater simply because he said the rich don't pay the tax they are supposed to. My immediate guess is that he is referring to people whose money does more air miles than Justin Bieber and suspiciously ends up somewhere sunny with a 1% tax rate (sometimes in someone else's name).

The taxation system is all one big pantomime and your little dance just adds to it. No one here mentioned anyone who earns 50k, except for you. No one here mentioned small/medium business owners, except for you. If you hear someone criticising people for living a nice life, take it up with them. I am talking about the FACT that people on PAYE are forced to pay the rate of tax that they are 'supposed to' while the very wealthiest can dodge and swerve (and still complain about the top rate being too high when they aren't even paying it).

Read the thread back and see where I said that people generalise about the rich, when they have no idea whatsoever what each individual pays.

You have't a clue, so don't generalise.

The tories have done more than labour ever did to cut down on tax avoidance.

You hate the 1% so much that you discredit the entire system. When most well off people pay far more than you ever will.

Pass it off as you simply disliking the 1%, I think you dislike more judging by your comments on the entire system.

[LordKenwyne]

Read momentums latest release and they say employers are basically scumbags. That is the sort of crass comment from people that will never experience running a business.

The rich get criticised for passing judgement on the poor. I guess the working classes can judge anyone without restraint.

At no point in this thread have I been aggressive, so save your OTT language

[Eric Cartman]

Not really, peoples contribution to society is case by case.

You are talking about CEO's as if I defend them. When have I said I wish the 1% were taxed less?.

I am defending small/medium size businesses and other people who are deemed "rich", when really they are not.

How can you comment when you have 0 idea how much these people pay in tax?.

The 1% is 1%, an extreme minority. Peoples complaints about who pays what goes far beyond the 1%.

"Oh you drive a range rover, afraid you don't contribute enough to society...."

You do this in every thread - I didn't say any of the things you are linking me to.

[CardiffIrish2]

[QUOTE=LordKenwyne;4709183]This myth that the rich do not pay their "fair share" will always win some votes, but this sort of punishment of financial success will never win in the modern world, I don't think.

We are allowed to earn what ever father jeremy tells us we can....

When you think he is building momentum he throws a spanner in the works and you realise why electing him would be a huge risk.

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I'd agree with you about him building momentum. The way a rolling stone gathers moss as it careers downhill is the type.

The most ineffective dreadful leader of the opposition of all time, well done the team Cult Corbyn who voted for him.

[Eric Cartman]

Read the thread back and see where I said that people generalise about the rich, when they have no idea whatsoever what each individual pays.

You have't a clue, so don't generalise.

The tories have done more than labour ever did to cut down on tax avoidance.

You hate the 1% so much that you discredit the entire system. When most well off people pay far more than you ever will.

Pass it off as you simply disliking the 1%, I think you dislike more judging by your comments on the entire system.

Childish, desperate and wrong.

Both my siblings are higher rate tax payers, as are their partners. I see an unfair system where they pay a huge portion of their income while far richer people and massive companies can manipulate it to pay sod all.

Inequality grew under labour, grew under the coalition and is growing under the Tories = the definition of a rigged system. We see ideological diatribe against the union's from this government daily and yesterday we saw stories suggesting 'record bonus payouts since the financial crisis', the only possibl result of these two things is even greater inequality.

[LordKenwyne]

Childish, desperate and wrong.

Both my siblings are higher rate tax payers, as are their partners. I see an unfair system where they pay a huge portion of their income while far richer people and massive companies can manipulate it to pay sod all.

Inequality grew under labour, grew under the coalition and is growing under the Tories = the definition of a rigged system. We see ideological diatribe against the union's from this government daily and yesterday we saw stories suggesting 'record bonus payouts since the financial crisis', the only possibl result of these two things is even greater inequality.

I am childish and you come steamrolling into the thread.

I am defending the high earners who get lampooned on social media every minute of every day. I am not defending the ultra rich in their ivory towers.

I've said "generalise" more times than I can remember in this thread. But people do generalise about the wealthy and rich. You separate them, most do not.

You have misinterpreted what I meant. There is no reason to even argue, as we agree!.

[Eric Cartman]

Read momentums latest release and they say employers are basically scumbags. That is the sort of crass comment from people that will never experience running a business.

The rich get criticised for passing judgement on the poor. I guess the working classes can judge anyone without restraint.

At no point in this thread have I been aggressive, so save your OTT language

You aren't debating with momentum, you are debating with the people in this thread, my views don't align with theirs.

[surge]

I saw a headline today which suggested the proposed limit was for those with government contracts and set at 20x the wage of the lowest paid employer. If your lowest paid employer earns £5,000 per year then you can earn £100,000 per year.

[Eric Cartman]

Spot on , and that where this will fall down, all these cap will just result in people becoming self employed , and paying less tax ,try another idea JC.

Let grab another sound bite ,or talk about the strikes, and how its best they weren't happening in an age where folk are paid reasonably well ,compared to the 70's

It may come as a surprise to some people but things cost more than they did in the 70's

[life on mars]

It may come as a surprise to some people but things cost more than they did in the 70's

I was earning , buying and supporting a family in the 70 's and it was poor pay , and tough , commodities were way more expensive, then due to no real less competition on the high street .

School uniforms were pricey from specialist shops or M&S , now you have bigger supermarkets driving those prices down including M&S

TV'S were a premium,had to bust a gut to get one on HP , now everyone has one , plus many more in bedrooms ,plus cable TV costs , never-mind, I pads, tablets, mobile phones , PC'S , folk now have a lot more .


Myself and my colleagues cycled, walked , or got a bus to work , now the same car parks are rammed with cars some very top end , with some having more than one on the driveway, its all so much attainable and rightly so.

Holidays back then were a luxury , we had to settle for home based breaks at Butlins, Trecco Bay , now with a bit of saving you can fly your family to Spain within modest income earning families.

Things are way better now for the working person , in terms of wages and rights, and I'm only talking about factory workers, posties and rail worker type jobs .who were lower paid back then,not many having to walk to work now ,thank god .

[Eric Cartman]

I was earning , buying and supporting a family in the 70 's and it was poor pay , and tough , commodities were way more expensive, then due to no real less competition on the high street .

School uniforms were pricey from specialist shops or M&S , now you have bigger supermarkets driving those prices down including M&S

TV'S were a premium,had to bust a gut to get one on HP , now everyone has one , plus many more in bedrooms ,plus cable TV costs , never-mind, I pads, tablets, mobile phones , PC'S , folk now have a lot more .


Myself and my colleagues cycled, walked , or got a bus to work , now the same car parks are rammed with cars some very top end , with some having more than one on the driveway, its all so much attainable and rightly so.

Holidays back then were a luxury , we had to settle for home based breaks at Butlins, Trecco Bay , now with a bit of saving you can fly your family to Spain within modest income earning families.

Things are way better now for the working person , in terms of wages and rights, and I'm only talking about factory workers, posties and rail worker type jobs .who were lower paid back then,not many having to walk to work now ,thank god .

I read the other day that to obtain the same standard of living as the average person at the beginning of the 20th century (can't remember when exactly but between 1900-1910 I think) we would only need to work 17 weeks of the year. I am sure you are right, the average standard of living is significantly higher now than the 70's but it is also true that people born in the 80's and 90's will find it hard to create financial security for themselves. House prices are absurd, the average house price in my area was 4x average salary at the end of the 70's, now we are talking well over 10x.

[life on mars]

I read the other day that to obtain the same standard of living as the average person at the beginning of the 20th century (can't remember when exactly but between 1900-1910 I think) we would only need to work 17 weeks of the year. I am sure you are right, the average standard of living is significantly higher now than the 70's but it is also true that people born in the 80's and 90's will find it hard to create financial security for themselves. House prices are absurd, the average house price in my area was 4x average salary at the end of the 70's, now we are talking well over 10x.

Yes your are right life's new standards are tough to reach ,however the alleged new poor or hard up , seem still to have cars , mobiles and take holidays.

I think the difference now is about exclusiveness and expectation, back in the 70' and 80's folk could not or would not step deep into the world of debt,which takes us back to the clever and derisive financial world whcih has allowed that to happen , which consequently has enabled the property price boom, you can bet your bottom dollar if the extended freely handed out loans were not there ,no one could afford these silly house prices and the prices would drop.

[Eric Cartman]

Yes your are right life's new standards are tough to reach ,however the alleged new poor or hard up , seem still to have cars , mobiles and take holidays.

I think the difference now is about exclusiveness and expectation, back in the 70' and 80's folk could not or would not step deep into the world of debt,which takes us back to the clever and derisive financial world whcih has allowed that to happen , which consequently has enabled the property price boom, you can bet your bottom dollar if the extended freely handed out loans were not there ,no one could afford these silly house prices and the prices would drop.

In my area proximity to London is the problem. No one who works in London can afford to live there, commuting takes an hour. Perfect for them but it pushes house prices up sufficiently that lower paid people can't afford to live here, but those jobs are still vital.

[David Vincent]

I was earning , buying and supporting a family in the 70 's and it was poor pay , and tough , commodities were way more expensive, then due to no real less competition on the high street .

School uniforms were pricey from specialist shops or M&S , now you have bigger supermarkets driving those prices down including M&S

TV'S were a premium,had to bust a gut to get one on HP , now everyone has one , plus many more in bedrooms ,plus cable TV costs , never-mind, I pads, tablets, mobile phones , PC'S , folk now have a lot more .


Myself and my colleagues cycled, walked , or got a bus to work , now the same car parks are rammed with cars some very top end , with some having more than one on the driveway, its all so much attainable and rightly so.

Holidays back then were a luxury , we had to settle for home based breaks at Butlins, Trecco Bay , now with a bit of saving you can fly your family to Spain within modest income earning families.

Things are way better now for the working person , in terms of wages and rights, and I'm only talking about factory workers, posties and rail worker type jobs .who were lower paid back then,not many having to walk to work now ,thank god .

I was working before the 1970s and I would say the average working man was probably better off in the 1970s than today.

An ordinary working man could afford to buy a house on his own wage. In most parts of the UK there was job security and if you got bored then another equally well paid job was easy to find. Unions were strong and I don't remember any zero hours contracts. Beer and food seemed much cheaper in relative terms but I've not looked at the figures. You were very silly if you bought a TV instead of renting like most people. They were always going wrong and the shop would send someone around to fix it for free. There were not so many cars on the road, but that was a good thing. People were flying to Spain for cheap holidays in the 1970s if you liked that kind of thing but many preferred to holiday in the UK.

I would say that people were happier and friendlier then but this is just my opinion.

[Pearcey3]

Corbyn's maximum wage is unworkable but at least it brings to the table the disparity in wealth between rich and poor. The gap continues to widen. That is unhealthy for our society and it needs addressing.

[Eric Cartman]

Corbyn's maximum wage is unworkable but at least it brings to the table the disparity in wealth between rich and poor. The gap continues to widen. That is unhealthy for our society and it needs addressing.

I am not a Corbyn basher per se but unfortunately I think his policy does the opposite. It allows people to ridicule the possibility of tackling wealth inequality and inequality in general.