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    The People vs the Snoopers' Charter

    Consider a donation to help fight the battle: https://www.crowdjustice.org/case/snoopers-charter/

    Ever googled something personal?


    Who you text, email or call. Your social media activity. Which websites you visit.


    Who you bank with. Where your kids go to school. Your sexual preferences, health worries, religious and political beliefs.


    Since November, the Snoopers’ Charter – the Investigatory Powers Act – has let the Government access all this intimate information, building up an incredibly detailed picture of you, your family and friends, your hobbies and habits – your entire life.


    And it won’t just be accessed by the Home Secretary. Dozens of agencies – the Department for Work and Pensions, HMRC and 46 others – can now see sensitive details of your personal life.


    Over 200,000 people signed a petition to stop the Snoopers’ Charter, the Government didn’t listen so we’re taking them to court and we need your help.


    There’s no opt-out and you don’t need to be suspected of anything. It will just happen all the time, to every one of us.
    The Investigatory Powers Act lets Government keep records of and monitor your private emails, texts and phone calls – that’s where you are, who you speak to, what you say – and all without any suspicion of wrongdoing.


    It forces internet companies like Sky, BT and TalkTalk to log every website you visit or app you have used, creating a vast database of deeply sensitive and revealing information. At a time when companies and governments are under increasingly frequent attack from hackers, this will create a goldmine for criminals and foreign spies.

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    Re: The People vs the Snoopers' Charter

    I'm all for it tbh. Could help stop kiddy fiddlers, terrorists etc etc.
    Just don't like the fact companies like BT get their paws on your information

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    Quote Originally Posted by nugent View Post
    I'm all for it tbh. Could help stop kiddy fiddlers, terrorists etc etc.
    Just don't like the fact companies like BT get their paws on your information
    Well, that's the entire point. Is the (some may say small) possibility of stopping kiddy fiddlers and terrorists worth allowing all these agencies and companies having complete access to everything you do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    Well, that's the entire point. Is the (some may say small) possibility of stopping kiddy fiddlers and terrorists worth allowing all these agencies and companies having complete access to everything you do?
    Yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Dragon View Post
    Yes.
    How small would the possibility have to be before you thought it wasn't worth it?

    If they caught one potential terrorist but missed ten because the terrorists found alternative ways to communicate than hotmail, would you still be happy with the charter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    How small would the possibility have to be before you thought it wasn't worth it?

    If they caught one potential terrorist but missed ten because the terrorists found alternative ways to communicate than hotmail, would you still be happy with the charter?
    The security services of the UK have and always will do what they please.

    Stopping terrorists discussing things of gmail is an excuse really for a blanket charter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nugent View Post
    I'm all for it tbh. Could help stop kiddy fiddlers, terrorists etc etc.
    Just don't like the fact companies like BT get their paws on your information
    Remind me again how that child abuse enquiry is going?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nugent View Post
    I'm all for it tbh. Could help stop kiddy fiddlers, terrorists etc etc.
    Just don't like the fact companies like BT get their paws on your information
    This is the thin edge of the wedge in the erosion of civil liberties how can anyone be all for this.

    If anyone says "I have nothing to hide anyway" they're completely missing the point.

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    Re: The People vs the Snoopers' Charter

    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    This is the thin edge of the wedge in the erosion of civil liberties how can anyone be all for this.

    If anyone says "I have nothing to hide anyway" they're completely missing the point.
    ^^ This for a start.

    The fact that this is about the snoopers charter is not what should be bothering people, not listening to the petition sends a clear message, they could not care less about what people want.

    Apathy is all the consent they need to take over every aspect of your life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    Well, that's the entire point. Is the (some may say small) possibility of stopping kiddy fiddlers and terrorists worth allowing all these agencies and companies having complete access to everything you do?
    It's not going to stop any competent terrorist anyway as if they're just googling "how to blow up parliament" on internet explorer.

    The only people this will target is normal people.

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    I have nothing to hide anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by itkman View Post
    I have nothing to hide anyway.
    99.99999% of people in the UK don't either.

    The government doesn't have a god given right to intrude peoples private lives.

    It is worrying how easily people give up all freedom they have due to fear.

    You put a huge amount of faith in the law and government. What about them makes you think they'll act in your interests?.
    Last edited by LordKenwyne; 12-01-17 at 08:27.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LordKenwyne View Post
    99.99999% of people in the UK don't either.

    The government doesn't have a god given right to intrude peoples private lives.

    It is worrying how easily people give up all freedom they have due to fear.

    You put a huge amount of faith in the law and government. What about them makes you think they'll act in your interests?.

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    Re: The People vs the Snoopers' Charter

    Quote Originally Posted by itkman View Post
    what?.

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    Re: The People vs the Snoopers' Charter

    Quote Originally Posted by LordKenwyne View Post
    what?.
    itkman said it in response to CB saying:

    If anyone says "I have nothing to hide anyway" they're completely missing the point.

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    Re: The People vs the Snoopers' Charter

    Quote Originally Posted by itkman View Post
    I have nothing to hide anyway.
    Do you mind if I sit in your living room every evening just to make sure?

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    Re: The People vs the Snoopers' Charter

    Keith Weller is back in the news again.

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    Surely there's a simple way around this?

    If everyone in the uk typed certain things into google every day then their super spy computer would crash under the weight.

    If specific keywords are a trigger (Isis,bomb making, politician killing, paedo terrorist on holiday in Syria should do it) then loads of people typing this would ruin their surveillance, thus making it all a bit pointless.

    Even if they did have the resources to track down the millions of people doing it, you could just say you were pissing about. You could even show them this post as proof that you're not a beardy bomber, just a bit of a rebel that is fighting back against the snooping.

    Problem solved.

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    Re: The People vs the Snoopers' Charter

    I got nothing to hide either.....
    Mr and Mrs r in 1....2.....3....

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    Quote Originally Posted by nugent View Post
    I got nothing to hide either.....
    Mr and Mrs r in 1....2.....3....
    Upload a screen grab of your browsing history from yesterday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nugent View Post
    I got nothing to hide either.....
    Mr and Mrs r in 1....2.....3....
    Don't you hide the sausage

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    It doesn't really matter whether you believe you have nothing to hide or not though. They will (presumably) only search through your data if they believe you have something to hide and therefore are starting with the view to find something. Your innocent searches may not appear so innocent any longer.

    It's been so widely criticised and yet pushed through by this government. It allows MP's to have higher status than ordinary people which given the expenses scandal etc. etc. may not be a good thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by surge View Post
    It doesn't really matter whether you believe you have nothing to hide or not though. They will (presumably) only search through your data if they believe you have something to hide and therefore are starting with the view to find something. Your innocent searches may not appear so innocent any longer.

    It's been so widely criticised and yet pushed through by this government. It allows MP's to have higher status than ordinary people which given the expenses scandal etc. etc. may not be a good thing.
    Yup, they're the ones that get to decide what qualifies as "having something to hide", and just look at the list of agencies that get to plough through our private lives:

    Metropolitan police force
    City of London police force
    Police forces maintained under section 2 of the Police Act 1996
    Police Service of Scotland
    Police Service of Northern Ireland
    British Transport Police
    Ministry of Defence Police
    Royal Navy Police
    Royal Military Police
    Royal Air Force Police
    Security Service
    Secret Intelligence Service
    GCHQ
    Ministry of Defence
    Department of Health
    Home Office
    Ministry of Justice
    National Crime Agency
    HM Revenue & Customs
    Department for Transport
    Department for Work and Pensions
    NHS trusts and foundation trusts in England that provide ambulance services
    Common Services Agency for the Scottish Health Service
    Competition and Markets Authority
    Criminal Cases Review Commission
    Department for Communities in Northern Ireland
    Department for the Economy in Northern Ireland
    Department of Justice in Northern Ireland
    Financial Conduct Authority
    Fire and rescue authorities under the Fire and Rescue Services Act 2004
    Food Standards Agency
    Food Standards Scotland
    Gambling Commission
    Gangmasters and Labour Abuse Authority
    Health and Safety Executive
    Independent Police Complaints Commissioner
    Information Commissioner
    NHS Business Services Authority
    Northern Ireland Ambulance Service Health and Social Care Trust
    Northern Ireland Fire and Rescue Service Board
    Northern Ireland Health and Social Care Regional Business Services Organisation
    Office of Communications
    Office of the Police Ombudsman for Northern Ireland
    Police Investigations and Review Commissioner
    Scottish Ambulance Service Board
    Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission
    Serious Fraud Office
    Welsh Ambulance Services National Health Service Trust

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    Re: The People vs the Snoopers' Charter

    And that's just if they use it as intended, just imagine how easily this can (and will) be abused.

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    "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

    Yet the majority of the country seem happy to give up a huge chunk of their freedom for what is essentially no gain.

    You may have nothing to hide now but who knows what changes will be made to the law in the next few years.

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