The People vs the Snoopers' Charter

[Croesy Blue]

Yes.

Do you think terrorists just use a normal broadband provider and internet explorer? Any one intent on causing destruction who's clever enough to actually be dangerous will be using TOR or another such system.

This won't reveal anything about people like that.

Also it's been 12 years since the last major terorrist plot happened in this country, is it worth giving up a civil liberty for something which either isn't as big a threat as the media wants you to think or is already being handled by our security services without the need to look at what sites I've been visiting and what emails I've been sending?

[Colonel Cærdiffi]

Do you think terrorists just use a normal broadband provider and internet explorer? Any one intent on causing destruction who's clever enough to actually be dangerous will be using TOR or another such system.

This won't reveal anything about people like that.

Also it's been 12 years since the last major terorrist plot happened in this country, is it worth giving up a civil liberty for something which either isn't as big a threat as the media wants you to think or is already being handled by our security services without the need to look at what sites I've been visiting and what emails I've been sending?

I wouldn't bother. If people like Barry think that allowing the Department of Work and Pensions to browse through his private internet history, phone calls, emails and text is going to protect him from a terrorist then we're doomed as a species anyway.

[Barry Dragon]

Do you think terrorists just use a normal broadband provider and internet explorer? Any one intent on causing destruction who's clever enough to actually be dangerous will be using TOR or another such system.

This won't reveal anything about people like that.

Also it's been 12 years since the last major terorrist plot happened in this country, is it worth giving up a civil liberty for something which either isn't as big a threat as the media wants you to think or is already being handled by our security services without the need to look at what sites I've been visiting and what emails I've been sending?

I am not sure you quite understand the point of this change in the law. They have already been doing this, is one form or another, but it wasnt "legal" to be able to be presented in court. much of this is nothing new, only now they are enshrining it into law. Whereas before it was done anyway, but couldnt be presented in court.

And the secret services have found weak points in Tor, its more invasive to be able to use. But these new powers likely give them the legal right to use the more invasive powers.

And its 12 years for a reason. The same reason why most of europe is copying and catching up with what we have been doing for a couple of decardes