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    The People vs the Snoopers' Charter

    Consider a donation to help fight the battle: https://www.crowdjustice.org/case/snoopers-charter/

    Ever googled something personal?


    Who you text, email or call. Your social media activity. Which websites you visit.


    Who you bank with. Where your kids go to school. Your sexual preferences, health worries, religious and political beliefs.


    Since November, the Snoopers’ Charter – the Investigatory Powers Act – has let the Government access all this intimate information, building up an incredibly detailed picture of you, your family and friends, your hobbies and habits – your entire life.


    And it won’t just be accessed by the Home Secretary. Dozens of agencies – the Department for Work and Pensions, HMRC and 46 others – can now see sensitive details of your personal life.


    Over 200,000 people signed a petition to stop the Snoopers’ Charter, the Government didn’t listen so we’re taking them to court and we need your help.


    There’s no opt-out and you don’t need to be suspected of anything. It will just happen all the time, to every one of us.
    The Investigatory Powers Act lets Government keep records of and monitor your private emails, texts and phone calls – that’s where you are, who you speak to, what you say – and all without any suspicion of wrongdoing.


    It forces internet companies like Sky, BT and TalkTalk to log every website you visit or app you have used, creating a vast database of deeply sensitive and revealing information. At a time when companies and governments are under increasingly frequent attack from hackers, this will create a goldmine for criminals and foreign spies.

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    Re: The People vs the Snoopers' Charter

    I'm all for it tbh. Could help stop kiddy fiddlers, terrorists etc etc.
    Just don't like the fact companies like BT get their paws on your information

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    Quote Originally Posted by nugent View Post
    I'm all for it tbh. Could help stop kiddy fiddlers, terrorists etc etc.
    Just don't like the fact companies like BT get their paws on your information
    Well, that's the entire point. Is the (some may say small) possibility of stopping kiddy fiddlers and terrorists worth allowing all these agencies and companies having complete access to everything you do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nugent View Post
    I'm all for it tbh. Could help stop kiddy fiddlers, terrorists etc etc.
    Just don't like the fact companies like BT get their paws on your information
    This is the thin edge of the wedge in the erosion of civil liberties how can anyone be all for this.

    If anyone says "I have nothing to hide anyway" they're completely missing the point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    Well, that's the entire point. Is the (some may say small) possibility of stopping kiddy fiddlers and terrorists worth allowing all these agencies and companies having complete access to everything you do?
    It's not going to stop any competent terrorist anyway as if they're just googling "how to blow up parliament" on internet explorer.

    The only people this will target is normal people.

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    I have nothing to hide anyway.

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    Re: The People vs the Snoopers' Charter

    I got nothing to hide either.....
    Mr and Mrs r in 1....2.....3....

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    Quote Originally Posted by itkman View Post
    I have nothing to hide anyway.
    99.99999% of people in the UK don't either.

    The government doesn't have a god given right to intrude peoples private lives.

    It is worrying how easily people give up all freedom they have due to fear.

    You put a huge amount of faith in the law and government. What about them makes you think they'll act in your interests?.
    Last edited by LordKenwyne; 12-01-17 at 07:27.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nugent View Post
    I got nothing to hide either.....
    Mr and Mrs r in 1....2.....3....
    Upload a screen grab of your browsing history from yesterday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LordKenwyne View Post
    99.99999% of people in the UK don't either.

    The government doesn't have a god given right to intrude peoples private lives.

    It is worrying how easily people give up all freedom they have due to fear.

    You put a huge amount of faith in the law and government. What about them makes you think they'll act in your interests?.

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    "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

    Yet the majority of the country seem happy to give up a huge chunk of their freedom for what is essentially no gain.

    You may have nothing to hide now but who knows what changes will be made to the law in the next few years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by itkman View Post
    what?.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigerbaybluebird View Post
    In certain areas I have no problem with them cracking down.

    That is one of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LordKenwyne View Post
    what?.
    itkman said it in response to CB saying:

    If anyone says "I have nothing to hide anyway" they're completely missing the point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    Upload a screen grab of your browsing history from yesterday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nugent View Post
    Ccmb
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    screen grab, not description.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    screen grab, not description.
    How do I do that on a Samsung galaxy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nugent View Post
    How do I do that on a Samsung galaxy?
    Just looked at my real list.
    Ordered food with just eat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    Well, that's the entire point. Is the (some may say small) possibility of stopping kiddy fiddlers and terrorists worth allowing all these agencies and companies having complete access to everything you do?
    Yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

    Yet the majority of the country seem happy to give up a huge chunk of their freedom for what is essentially no gain.

    You may have nothing to hide now but who knows what changes will be made to the law in the next few years.
    I have not given up any freedom. What freedoms are you giving up as a result of this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Dragon View Post
    Yes.
    Do you think terrorists just use a normal broadband provider and internet explorer? Any one intent on causing destruction who's clever enough to actually be dangerous will be using TOR or another such system.

    This won't reveal anything about people like that.

    Also it's been 12 years since the last major terorrist plot happened in this country, is it worth giving up a civil liberty for something which either isn't as big a threat as the media wants you to think or is already being handled by our security services without the need to look at what sites I've been visiting and what emails I've been sending?

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    Re: The People vs the Snoopers' Charter

    Quote Originally Posted by nugent View Post
    Just looked at my real list.
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    Case: 432870 Date: 12/01/2017 User: nugent

    Thanks for doing your patriotic duty. Looks like you've earned your liberty for another day.

    Ensure you are ready for tomorrow's spot check, citizen.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Dragon View Post
    I have not given up any freedom. What freedoms are you giving up as a result of this?
    You're giving up the freedom to privacy and it isn't just about this anyway if civil liberties are being eroded so easily who knows what next.

    What's to stop anyone who's an annoyance to the government, any opposition or protester having their internet history used to slander them?

    I'd never have thought reading 1984 that it was going to be so accurate nor did I think people would be happy to accept it based on fear mongering by the media.

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    Re: The People vs the Snoopers' Charter

    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    Do you think terrorists just use a normal broadband provider and internet explorer? Any one intent on causing destruction who's clever enough to actually be dangerous will be using TOR or another such system.

    This won't reveal anything about people like that.

    Also it's been 12 years since the last major terorrist plot happened in this country, is it worth giving up a civil liberty for something which either isn't as big a threat as the media wants you to think or is already being handled by our security services without the need to look at what sites I've been visiting and what emails I've been sending?
    I wouldn't bother. If people like Barry think that allowing the Department of Work and Pensions to browse through his private internet history, phone calls, emails and text is going to protect him from a terrorist then we're doomed as a species anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi View Post
    Case: 432870 Date: 12/01/2017 User: nugent

    Thanks for doing your patriotic duty. Looks like you've earned your liberty for another day.

    Ensure you are ready for tomorrow's spot check, citizen.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nugent View Post
    Just looked at my real list.
    Ordered food with just eat.
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    A random page in your post history

    Quote Originally Posted by nugent View Post
    Lads, I need to submit a risk assessment and method statement for a big job.
    Cant be arsed to write one and I cant seem to find a generic one off tinternet that I like.
    Now after being a foreman for a few companies over the years Ive sifted through emails and found one from a company I used to work for, its totally relevant but about 100 pages long.

    So, I opened the word doc in one drive, changed the name of the company to my company and saved it.
    Its a good job I checked it cos at the bottom of each facking page is a line saying "copyright (the old company name)".

    Is there any way to delete them? They are not there in edit mode, they just appear in the final product. aarrghh.
    Let's hope you don't piss someone off enough for them to see you've been half arsing risk assessments

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Dragon View Post
    Yes.
    How small would the possibility have to be before you thought it wasn't worth it?

    If they caught one potential terrorist but missed ten because the terrorists found alternative ways to communicate than hotmail, would you still be happy with the charter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    Do you think terrorists just use a normal broadband provider and internet explorer? Any one intent on causing destruction who's clever enough to actually be dangerous will be using TOR or another such system.

    This won't reveal anything about people like that.

    Also it's been 12 years since the last major terorrist plot happened in this country, is it worth giving up a civil liberty for something which either isn't as big a threat as the media wants you to think or is already being handled by our security services without the need to look at what sites I've been visiting and what emails I've been sending?
    They would probably use incognito mode

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    Quote Originally Posted by nugent View Post
    They would probably use incognito mode
    ISPs still know what you've visited, ya goon.

    Incognito mode just works at your end.

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    Re: The People vs the Snoopers' Charter

    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    A random page in your post history



    Let's hope you don't piss someone off enough for them to see you've been half arsing risk assessments
    pmsl. WHAAAT? Meeee? No way. Everyone was impressed with my 100 page document that I produced overnight.

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    Re: The People vs the Snoopers' Charter

    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    ISPs still know what you've visited, ya goon.

    Incognito mode just works at your end.
    Oh fack

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    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    What's to stop anyone who's an annoyance to the government, any opposition or protester having their internet history used to slander them?.
    People slander the government of the day.

    People despise parking fines, speed fines, fines for being on your phone while driving.

    Fines for no TV licenses.

    A friend of a family member got fined £1000 for having an out of date drivers license.

    etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.

    Day to day people hate the law/government. As 90% of the time they only hear from them in a negative situation. Then they're happy to sign over every lasts scrap of information....

    For some reason they've got it into their heads the law and government does the right and correct thing for the people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    How small would the possibility have to be before you thought it wasn't worth it?

    If they caught one potential terrorist but missed ten because the terrorists found alternative ways to communicate than hotmail, would you still be happy with the charter?
    The security services of the UK have and always will do what they please.

    Stopping terrorists discussing things of gmail is an excuse really for a blanket charter.

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    I'm surprised the calls to ban whatsapp haven't happened yet considering every message is encrypted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nugent View Post
    I'm all for it tbh. Could help stop kiddy fiddlers, terrorists etc etc.
    Just don't like the fact companies like BT get their paws on your information
    Remind me again how that child abuse enquiry is going?

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    Re: The People vs the Snoopers' Charter

    Quote Originally Posted by itkman View Post
    I have nothing to hide anyway.
    Do you mind if I sit in your living room every evening just to make sure?

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    Keith Weller is back in the news again.

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    Surely there's a simple way around this?

    If everyone in the uk typed certain things into google every day then their super spy computer would crash under the weight.

    If specific keywords are a trigger (Isis,bomb making, politician killing, paedo terrorist on holiday in Syria should do it) then loads of people typing this would ruin their surveillance, thus making it all a bit pointless.

    Even if they did have the resources to track down the millions of people doing it, you could just say you were pissing about. You could even show them this post as proof that you're not a beardy bomber, just a bit of a rebel that is fighting back against the snooping.

    Problem solved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nugent View Post
    I got nothing to hide either.....
    Mr and Mrs r in 1....2.....3....
    Don't you hide the sausage

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