Good riddance Obama

[surge]

This ^ I should have made it clear, I don't have problem with him smoking pot, it's just everything else he does I don't like

Everything else?

[Mrs Steve R]

Everything else?

Just being the president of the US and all that comes with it, they are all the same to me.

[the other bob wilson]

Just being the president of the US and all that comes with it, they are all the same to me.

Even Trump?

[Mrs Steve R]

Even Trump?

Why would he be any different?

[the other bob wilson]

Why would he be any different?

Because that's the reason he won isn't it - or at least that's what I keep on hearing from people who voted for him.

[Mrs Steve R]

Because that's the reason he won isn't it - or at least that's what I keep on hearing from people who voted for him.

Oh I see what you mean, I thought you meant I was a fan of his or something he may appear to be different but I don't think he is.

[the other bob wilson]

Oh I see what you mean, I thought you meant I was a fan of his or something he may appear to be different but I don't think he is.

Agreed .

[lardy]

Just being the president of the US and all that comes with it, they are all the same to me.

I think its a question of scale. If you're saying that all presidents, prime ministers and governments fib and exaggerate so what Trump is doing is no different to them, then thats true. But the scale on which Trump has told flat out lies is incredible. This isn't merely spin, where you make something appear the way you want it to.

Just yesterday, his press secretary (Sean Spicer) came out and said that the inaugration was the biggest ever, which it clearly wasn't, and walked off without taking questions. At the same time, Trump is saying there were 1-1.5 million people there, which there clearly weren't, and the crowd stretched back to the memorial, which it definitely didn't. He has said the photos of the event, which were released by the government themselves, are fake.

Taken on its own, who cares if they fib about the crowd size but this is not happening in isolation.

If you have a president/government that flat out lies and then refuses to be accountable by answering questions on what they are doing, or even responding to people who say "that's a lie", then it's a very dangerous situation.

[Mrs Steve R]

I think its a question of scale. If you're saying that all presidents, prime ministers and governments fib and exaggerate so what Trump is doing is no different to them, then thats true. But the scale on which Trump has told flat out lies is incredible. This isn't merely spin, where you make something appear the way you want it to.

Just yesterday, his press secretary (Sean Spicer) came out and said that the inaugration was the biggest ever, which it clearly wasn't, and walked off without taking questions. At the same time, Trump is saying there were 1-1.5 million people there, which there clearly weren't, and the crowd stretched back to the memorial, which it definitely didn't. He has said the photos of the event, which were released by the government themselves, are fake.

Taken on its own, who cares if they fib about the crowd size but this is not happening in isolation.

If you have a president/government that flat out lies and then refuses to be accountable by answering questions on what they are doing, or even responding to people who say "that's a lie", then it's a very dangerous situation.

I was thinking along the lines of what you said at the top when I first said it, the thing is I see them all as lying puppets so in that sense they are all the same to me, thinking about it more and digesting all the news it seems to me that Trump is just a different kind of puppet, a dangerous one, I need to put my dialectical head on and think about it more tbh

[Rjk]

I think its a question of scale. If you're saying that all presidents, prime ministers and governments fib and exaggerate so what Trump is doing is no different to them, then thats true. But the scale on which Trump has told flat out lies is incredible. This isn't merely spin, where you make something appear the way you want it to.

Just yesterday, his press secretary (Sean Spicer) came out and said that the inaugration was the biggest ever, which it clearly wasn't, and walked off without taking questions. At the same time, Trump is saying there were 1-1.5 million people there, which there clearly weren't, and the crowd stretched back to the memorial, which it definitely didn't. He has said the photos of the event, which were released by the government themselves, are fake.

Taken on its own, who cares if they fib about the crowd size but this is not happening in isolation.

If you have a president/government that flat out lies and then refuses to be accountable by answering questions on what they are doing, or even responding to people who say "that's a lie", then it's a very dangerous situation.

There is a school of thought (and not one I nessecarily subscribe to) that this obvious lie about attendance is designed to further drive a wedge between the population and the mainstream media.
Most people will believe the media, and what they've seen with their own eyes, but a small but significant section of people will choose to believe the lie and therefore turn even more away from the media.
This makes them more beholden to the people in power, and easier to control.

[lardy]

There is a school of thought (and not one I nessecarily subscribe to) that this obvious lie about attendance is designed to further drive a wedge between the population and the mainstream media.
Most people will believe the media, and what they've seen with their own eyes, but a small but significant section of people will choose to believe the lie and therefore turn even more away from the media.
This makes them more beholden to the people in power, and easier to control.

I can buy into it. Another theory is that this is seen as a 'who can we trust' exercise from the White House. Who is with us and against us, which side are people on.

[Wales-Bales]

I can buy into it. Another theory is that this is seen as a 'who can we trust' exercise from the White House. Who is with us and against us, which side are people on.

You are beginning to sound like a conspiracy theorist

[Mrs Steve R]

You are beginning to sound like a conspiracy theorist

Remember me saying if anyone on here was going to become one it would be Lardy?