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    Global Warming

    Exposed: How world leaders were duped into investing billions over manipulated global warming data


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...ming-data.html

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    Well, I am very surprised by that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R View Post
    Well, I am very surprised by that.
    Globalisation playbook. Trump was right!

    Vaccinations next to be exposed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Globalisation playbook. Trump was right!

    Vaccinations next to be exposed?
    I was being sarky, vaccines would be an interesting one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R View Post
    I was being sarky, vaccines would be an interesting one.
    And child trafficking, organ harvesting etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    And child trafficking, organ harvesting etc.
    I think it will now hit some people that they have been controlled opposition tbh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    Mashable is a global, multi-platform media and entertainment company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Mashable is a global, multi-platform media and entertainment company.
    It was literally the only article I could find referring to the mail story at short notice. Nowhere else is giving it the time of day. A few of the weather/climate forums I used to go on frequently when I was a little boy praying for snow days had people loling about it though.

    For someone who says they like to use multiple sources to build their view, you seem to be defaulting to one very often these days.
    Last edited by Eric Cartman; 07-02-17 at 11:06.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    It was literally the only article I could find referring to the mail story at short notice. Nowhere else is giving it the time of day. A few of the weather/climate forums I used to go on frequently when I was a little boy praying for snow days had people loling about it though.

    For someone who says they like to use multiple sources to build their view, you seem to be defaulting to one very often these days.
    I only post MSM links to satisfy those who feel uneasy about information obtained from other sources. Unfortunately the DM is the only publication that will report a lot of the stuff. It's no wonder that Cameron tried to get the editor fired!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    I only post MSM links to satisfy those who feel uneasy about information obtained from other sources. Unfortunately the DM is the only publication that will report a lot of the stuff. It's no wonder that Cameron tried to get the editor fired!
    How about you explain your understanding of the widely accepted science behind climate change? And why you think it is wrong.

    In my experience most people who think it is all made up have little or no understanding of the actual case for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    It was literally the only article I could find referring to the mail story at short notice. Nowhere else is giving it the time of day. A few of the weather/climate forums I used to go on frequently when I was a little boy praying for snow days had people loling about it though.

    For someone who says they like to use multiple sources to build their view, you seem to be defaulting to one very often these days.
    To be fair, I think it's virtually impossible for people to have a completely open mind on any subject because they are always drawn to anything which backs the viewpoint they instinctively edge towards. That said, Gluey's behaviour in this thread hardly seems like that of someone who is open to being persuaded after studying multiple sources on a subject. To dismiss the link you posted out of hand because it comes from a "global, multi-platform media and entertainment company" while placing so much faith in a story from something that is a global, multi-platform media and entertainment company with a clear political bias does strike me as a bit odd.

    Instinctively, I believe in global warming, but have gone on to fact checking sites to try and get something that, hopefully, looks at the subject from a fairly neutral perspective - I'll make no comment on what is said in these links;-

    http://www.factcheck.org/2016/11/the...limate-change/

    http://www.factcheck.org/2017/01/til...limate-change/

    http://www.politifact.com/subjects/climate-change/

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    To be fair, I think it's virtually impossible for people to have a completely open mind on any subject because they are always drawn to anything which backs the viewpoint they instinctively edge towards. That said, Gluey's behaviour in this thread hardly seems like that of someone who is open to being persuaded after studying multiple sources on a subject. To dismiss the link you posted out of hand because it comes from a "global, multi-platform media and entertainment company" while placing so much faith in a story from something that is a global, multi-platform media and entertainment company with a clear political bias does strike me as a bit odd.

    Instinctively, I believe in global warming, but have gone on to fact checking sites to try and get something that, hopefully, looks at the subject from a fairly neutral perspective - I'll make no comment on what is said in these links;-

    http://www.factcheck.org/2016/11/the...limate-change/

    http://www.factcheck.org/2017/01/til...limate-change/

    http://www.politifact.com/subjects/climate-change/
    I was just pointing out a current news item, or is that not allowed these days? Whistleblowers tend to have more to lose, so it's debatable whether somebody would end their professional career by making thing things up. I only mentioned the "entertainment company" bit as it's code for "we also promote propanda", while the DM fall under the authority of the Independent Press Standards Organisation.
    Last edited by Wales-Bales; 08-02-17 at 07:35.

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    It's a shame the West thought it a good idea to stop heavy industrial type manufacturing in thier own backyards , as in house controls could be more effective , instead we moved to purchasing off shore cheaper products from the sub continent and Asian markets, whose controls on pollution are not the best, but can produce cheaper goods ,with cheaper Labour costs , or was that down to high wage demands , poor industrial relations, demand for cheap product and lifestyles , which became unstainable , but comes at a cost.

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    There are too many sources, all independent of one another, that show that global warming is man-made.

    People point at climate change over the life-span of the earth (for some global-warming denialists, they think the planet is just 6000 years old). That sort of climate change takes eons to happen, 50 years ago our ice caps were more-or-less intact.

    You and Mrs R just spout a few lines going "yeah, see", but rarely expand on what your views actually are.

    So, why do you deny global warming is man made.

    What are your thoughts on vaccines?

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    There are too many sources, all independent of one another, that show that global warming is man-made.

    People point at climate change over the life-span of the earth (for some global-warming denialists, they think the planet is just 6000 years old). That sort of climate change takes eons to happen, 50 years ago our ice caps were more-or-less intact.

    You and Mrs R just spout a few lines going "yeah, see", but rarely expand on what your views actually are.

    So, why do you deny global warming is man made.

    What are your thoughts on vaccines?
    I defer to the whistle blowers. It's all too easy to find experts who will agree with a false position or agenda.

    Vacinnes? Two words - Bill Gates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    I defer to the whistle blowers. It's all too easy to find experts who will agree with a false position or agenda.
    Yes, I agree. There's plenty of those in the deniers camp.

    Vacinnes? Two words - Bill Gates.
    I doubt if I can get you to expand beyond two words.

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    Vacinnes? Two words - Bill Gates.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kris View Post
    I doubt if I can get you to expand beyond two words.
    It's not my intention to convince you of anything. If you think vaccines are great, then I am happy for you. If you are not sure, then Bill Gates is a good place to start your research

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kris View Post
    There are too many sources, all independent of one another, that show that global warming is man-made.

    People point at climate change over the life-span of the earth (for some global-warming denialists, they think the planet is just 6000 years old). That sort of climate change takes eons to happen, 50 years ago our ice caps were more-or-less intact.

    You and Mrs R just spout a few lines going "yeah, see", but rarely expand on what your views actually are.

    So, why do you deny global warming is man made.

    What are your thoughts on vaccines?
    Where did I say "yeah see"? and where did I give my opinion on global warming?

    I've gone over my thoughts on vaccines many times, personally I would never have a vaccine again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R View Post
    Where did I say "yeah see"? and where did I give my opinion on global warming?

    I've gone over my thoughts on vaccines many times, personally I would never have a vaccine again.
    Each to their own of course, but I think you are pretty misguided about vaccines.
    Some of the things I've seen you mention about not being tested on certain blood types etc don't have much basis in fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    Each to their own of course, but I think you are pretty misguided about vaccines.
    Some of the things I've seen you mention about not being tested on certain blood types etc don't have much basis in fact.
    I'm misguided? I take it you have looked in to rh-negative blood groups, autoimmune conditions, allergies ect? I assume you know your secretor/non-secretor status too? as I recall the last time we spoke about this you were telling me I was wrong then and you were going to check with your "friends in the medical industry" but you never got back to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R View Post
    Where did I say "yeah see"? and where did I give my opinion on global warming?

    I've gone over my thoughts on vaccines many times, personally I would never have a vaccine again.
    Ah, my apologies. You see, when you commented in the second post of this thread, I assumed you had something cryptic to say on the subject. Now, I can appreciate you were just being vague.

    Why wouldn't you have a vaccine again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    It's a shame the West thought it a good idea to stop heavy industrial type manufacturing in thier own backyards , as in house controls could be more effective , instead we moved to purchasing off shore cheaper products from the sub continent and Asian markets, whose controls on pollution are not the best, but can produce cheaper goods ,with cheaper Labour costs , or was that down to high wage demands , poor industrial relations, demand for cheap product and lifestyles , which became unstainable , but comes at a cost.
    The problem is, the West are the main culprits for polluting the atmosphere with carbons and so forth. Now that they have had their industrial revolutions, they feel that they can stop other countries from following the path that we took a century ago. It's difficult to win any battle when you are seen by the opposition as being hypocritical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kris View Post
    The problem is, the West are the main culprits for polluting the atmosphere with carbons and so forth. Now that they have had their industrial revolutions, they feel that they can stop other countries from following the path that we took a century ago. It's difficult to win any battle when you are seen by the opposition as being hypocritical.
    It's certain groups in the west who have pushed manufacturing to the east.

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    Confirmation bias at its best here.

    There are scores and scores of scientific articles which clearly show that climate change is real and is man made, and you get one pretty ropey article in the daily mail and some on here immediately declare it all a globalist scam.

    It really doesn't take long to look at the evidence for yourself, or to understand why some people are fighting as hard as they can to discredit it.

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