Pro-Trump march planned for Cardiff

[jon1959]

What you have both said is no different to Trump saying 'All Muslims are terrorists' equally as bad imo, unless of course you have spoken to every single Trump supporter and found out their reasons for voting for him?

Of course it is different.

Those people (me included) who are pretty confident about the views and motives of a small number of pro-Trump demonstrators in Cardiff may be making some assumptions, and possibly some sweeping generalisations (conflating the Gove Brexiteer type love-in with Trump and the fascist wing of his fan club), but that is based on months of analysing and discussing what Trump says and does that attracts such support.

To say that sort of characterisation is equivalent in any way to Trump's racist stereotyping of an entire faith group is staggering!

I would not give any single label to the tens of millions of American voters who supported Trump. There are certainly wide ranges of views and opinions there - some are sickening alt-right white supremacists, some are disillusioned and abandoned workers in rust belt states who see Trump as their best hope of rolling back the impact of globalisation on their communities and their jobs. There will be many other groups of Trump supporters too - and all cast a democratic vote and have a right to see their choice of President screw up their country and the planet even more than the despised Hillary (who got 3m more votes).

[CardiffIrish2]

Of course it is different.

Those people (me included) who are pretty confident about the views and motives of a small number of pro-Trump demonstrators in Cardiff may be making some assumptions, and possibly some sweeping generalisations (conflating the Gove Brexiteer type love-in with Trump and the fascist wing of his fan club), but that is based on months of analysing and discussing what Trump says and does that attracts such support.

To say that sort of characterisation is equivalent in any way to Trump's racist stereotyping of an entire faith group is staggering!

I would not give any single label to the tens of millions of American voters who supported Trump. There are certainly wide ranges of views and opinions there - some are sickening alt-right white supremacists, some are disillusioned and abandoned workers in rust belt states who see Trump as their best hope of rolling back the impact of globalisation on their communities and their jobs. There will be many other groups of Trump supporters too - and all cast a democratic vote and have a right to see their choice of President screw up their country and the planet even more than the despised Hillary (who got 3m more votes).

This ^^^ I never actually called all trump voters racist, I questioned the motives of those in Cardiff who feel so strongly about the ideals of an American president they want to go and march for him.

Well said Jon 👍👍

[Wales-Bales]

Of course it is different.

Those people (me included) who are pretty confident about the views and motives of a small number of pro-Trump demonstrators in Cardiff may be making some assumptions, and possibly some sweeping generalisations (conflating the Gove Brexiteer type love-in with Trump and the fascist wing of his fan club), but that is based on months of analysing and discussing what Trump says and does that attracts such support.

To say that sort of characterisation is equivalent in any way to Trump's racist stereotyping of an entire faith group is staggering!

I would not give any single label to the tens of millions of American voters who supported Trump. There are certainly wide ranges of views and opinions there - some are sickening alt-right white supremacists, some are disillusioned and abandoned workers in rust belt states who see Trump as their best hope of rolling back the impact of globalisation on their communities and their jobs. There will be many other groups of Trump supporters too - and all cast a democratic vote and have a right to see their choice of President screw up their country and the planet even more than the despised Hillary (who got 3m more votes).

Jon, what do you think of Trump's new AG? His first action was issuing an executive order against human trafficking. Trump said he is directing the Departments of Justice and Homeland Security “to undertake all necessary and lawful actions to break the back of the criminal cartels that have spread across our nation and are destroying the blood of our youth.”

[jon1959]

Jon, what do you think of Trump's new AG? His first action was issuing an executive order against human trafficking. Trump said he is directing the Departments of Justice and Homeland Security “to undertake all necessary and lawful actions to break the back of the criminal cartels that have spread across our nation and are destroying the blood of our youth.”

I'm not sure what to think about a lot of Trump nominees. Jeff Sessions seems to be a nasty piece of work (from his racist past to his alliance with far right Trump cheerleaders now) and most of his stances are repugnant to me:

Jefferson Beauregard Sessions is a four-term junior senator from Alabama who, before being elected to that office in 1996, served as attorney general for the state. Sessions is a conservative Republican who is anti-abortion, anti-immigration, skeptical of climate change and hostile to same-sex marriage. On issues of criminal justice, Sessions has championed “law and order”, stern marijuana prohibition and the unregulated use of civil forfeiture by law enforcement.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...torney-general

However, he may end up doing some good things in office - if only to dampen the hostility. He has done a bit of re-inventing or re-packaging of his profile and record in the past few days and may not live up 100% to the fears of his opponents. Who knows?

A number of Trump appointments (Environment, Israeli ambassador...etc) frighten me. Others (State and Supreme Court) on first impression seem to be stronger and more independent of the policy group around Trump than I expected - and have already challenged Trump and his inner circle. Neil Gorsuch was pretty clear that he wasn't going to be tarred with the attack from Trump on the judiciary around the Islamic immigration and refugee ban. I don't know if that came as a surprise to POTUS or not or whether there are a few deliberate sweeteners in the Cabinet and other appointments mix.

I expect Trump and most of his appointees to be a disaster for the USA and the wider world. However I was taken with the Bernie Sanders reaction to the election outcome about challenging the bad stuff, but holding him to his promises where they could be good or positive. Some of what Trump claimed to believe was close to the Sanders position (even if it was never convincing from Trump) - on globalisation, big finance, jobs, and very likely 'human trafficking'. They were a world apart on almost everything else.

[Mrs Steve R]

Of course it is different.

Those people (me included) who are pretty confident about the views and motives of a small number of pro-Trump demonstrators in Cardiff may be making some assumptions, and possibly some sweeping generalisations (conflating the Gove Brexiteer type love-in with Trump and the fascist wing of his fan club), but that is based on months of analysing and discussing what Trump says and does that attracts such support.

To say that sort of characterisation is equivalent in any way to Trump's racist stereotyping of an entire faith group is staggering!

I would not give any single label to the tens of millions of American voters who supported Trump. There are certainly wide ranges of views and opinions there - some are sickening alt-right white supremacists, some are disillusioned and abandoned workers in rust belt states who see Trump as their best hope of rolling back the impact of globalisation on their communities and their jobs. There will be many other groups of Trump supporters too - and all cast a democratic vote and have a right to see their choice of President screw up their country and the planet even more than the despised Hillary (who got 3m more votes).

'Some' being the most important word, are they not an entire faith group? politics is just another set of beliefs imo, race, colour, religion, belief system are all irrelevant to me as I see everyone the same so to me they are just another group of people who are judged on the actions of a few, whatever way you look at it it's still not right to do that is it? that's all I'm saying.