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IMO Bob, I would say so. Perhaps not the vast majority, but a majority nonetheless.Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
I welcome your (and others) thoughts on the rest of my post.
To quote Edmund Burke, "the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."
Can you explain why ?
I would also appreciate your thoughts on the details of my post that you disagree with.
I welcome an intelligent debate with you.
Based on the 1% of Muslims you mention, that's 25,000 seriously dangerous Muslims in the UK. I wouldn't disagree with that, apart from you under estimating the numbers.
Here's a quote from an EU document :
"A concern is that after stunning, animals regain (some) consciousness.This is particularly so for electrical stunning."
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegDat...75_REV2_EN.pdf
The same document says most halal slaughter in France, Italy, Belgium, Holland and Spain is done without stunning.
Here are a couple of comments on ritual slaughter by our MPs in the 2015 Parliamentary debate :
"One of my Muslim constituents wants to buy halal meat because of not only the religious justification, but welfare. For him, halal slaughter is a method with a higher standard of welfare than other methods that were common, such as strangulation." Steve Baker (Con). In other words halal is good because it is better than strangulation. These are the idiots deciding our fate.
"My local Muslim community is concerned about this debate. Many do not feel that it is really about animal welfare; they worry that it is some sort of covert attack on them and their way of life." Diane Abbot
Another idiot made the same point.
"On the back of the Copenhagen and Paris attacks, many of my Jewish constituents worry that they are not wanted in this country." Matthew Offord (Con). So if we are opposed to religious slaughter we hate Jews.
"Sadly, it shows that perhaps ignorance, racism, Islamophobia and anti-Semitism lurk behind some of the respectable arguments." Mike Freer (Con).
Your argument against religious slaughter might seem respectable but it really means you are a racist.
Isn't Mike Freer saying the same as you Jon1959?
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I don't know if he is saying the same thing as me. I don't know if Diane Abbott is saying the same thing as me. Did either of them say that their main concern about methods of animal slaughter was 'animal welfare'?
Your misrepresentation and evasion were the reason I asked if you had any other reason to denounce halal abattoirs.
If, as you subsequently seemed to say, your concern is those abattoirs that don't stun before slaughter, and that where stunning is used it is (you claim) not as effective as alternative methods, then I will agree with you. But you also keep making comments in your posts that suggest you are opposed to the practices in halal abattoirs because they are based on some idea of religious compliance, separate from the way the animals there are treated. If that is correct (is it?) then it becomes a different discussion.
This post actually got me thinking. I am moderately anti-religion, I think I am of the opinion that religion is too easily manipulated by bad people for the sum of it's impact to be positive. Upon reading the post I thought 'hmm I wouldn't really want any of that religious meat' but on reflection, if I am certain in my belief that religious practices are next to meaningless, why would I care if someone blesses it. Equal opportunities is a concern, if Halal slaughter becomes more widespread and it 'must' be done by Muslim butcher then that is obviously bollocks.
I am all for removing the imposition of religion in everyday life, lets get rid of Halal meat, Catholic schools, religious buildings can just be nice places without bigotry and bias. Somehow I doubt our 'christian country' would go for that though.
Why just pick on them? do you think any of the other religions mentioned in my post would go along with it?
It is the prominent religion and sets the agenda.
Because if he'd said islam,which if people were being honest is the only religion that is a danger to western values,he'd have had to kick himself to death for being an islamaphobe.
I have done what you have asked. To everyone's surprise I am not kicking myself to death but it doesn't make much sense to me.I am all for removing the imposition of religion in everyday life, lets get rid of Halal meat, Catholic schools, religious buildings can just be nice places without bigotry and bias. Somehow I doubt our 'Islam country' would go for that though.
Absolutely insane change in odds:
http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/...prime-minister
Wilders out to 29/5.
Bookies have taken people to the cleaners.
Edit - I am confused, paddy power still has him as the favourite.
Might be the difference between "biggest party" and prime minister, as there will undoubtedly be a coalition in power and not many would risk a toxic collaboration with Wilders.
Well that was a load of fuss over nothing.
Sort of RJK but a dreadful result for the left again.
The greens and socialist party have apparently done better than expected.
For a long time they were expected to gain the most seats and they are a long way from that. Even if they got the most seats they weren't likely to be in a coalition, so now i guess they'll be sidelined.
The Dutch result is of no significance in the grand scheme of things. Keep your eyes on France, if Le Pen wins the EU will have well and truly fallen off.
And, no doubt, you would have been saying the same if Wilders' mob had been the biggest party.
I haven't commented once in this thread about Wilders, his political party or the Dutch general election. That should tell you how much interest I had in it. The Brexit/Trump support team are over in France, and that is where my interests lie, as I am curious to see if those data science guys can pull off a hattrick of victories. Of course, it would also be a bonus to see the EU smashed into pieces at the same time
That doesn't really answer my point though does it? Are you telling me that you would not have said anything on here if Wilders was the leader of the party with the most seats this morning? Seems to me that the centre right party that were the "winners" of the election are natural candidates for the globalist elite which you detest and yet you would have not said anything on here if they had been beaten? I agree the French election is the bigger barometer though and can only hope that, as in the Netherlands, "the wrong kind of populism" gets rejected.I haven't commented once in this thread about Wilders, his political party or the Dutch general election. That should tell you how much interest I had in it. The Brexit/Trump support team are over in France, and that is where my interests lie, as I am curious to see if those data science guys can pull off a hattrick of victories. Of course, it would also be a bonus to see the EU smashed into pieces at the same time
Win or lose, I seriously wouldn't have commented, as I really haven't been paying attention to what is happening there. Regarding the globalists, many of the lower ranking ones are merely the useful idiots. They departmentalise everything, and it's only the upper echelons who know the real plans for the end game. Anyway, things should be hotting up soon. 2017/18 is going to be the greatest show on earth, and we should consider ourselves lucky that we are here to witness all of it.
These are certainly very interesting times, but I'm far from convinced yet that we are lucky to be living through them.
There certainly are a lot of useful idiots at play, but they aren't the ones you think they are.
They are the ones that think they are fighting the good fight against the evil "globalist agenda", but in reality they are just a pawn of the right.
You do realise that the EU would eventually be joined together with NAFTA, ASEAN, UNASUR and all the other regional economic groups, giving us the fabled New World Order.
Europe is being conquered by using people as weapons. I predict that within 30 years Barry Island will be renamed Sharia-by-the-Sea.
Lovely, can't wait
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