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    The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    A Le Pen victory would be the worst crisis for half a century. Even if she doesn’t, the system is in deep trouble

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/02/f...ete-breakdown/

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    Re: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    A Le Pen victory would be the worst crisis for half a century. Even if she doesn’t, the system is in deep trouble

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/02/f...ete-breakdown/
    The annoying thing is that ALL of this (brexit included) could have been avoided if the EU commission and Parliament actually listened rather than dictated. It's probably too far gone now to change.

    But if they had gone back to a pre Maastricht arrangement - where you had to apply to go and live in another EU country and that country had the right to refuse entry etc. Maybe an EU that was tougher on entry to the Euro or an EU that didnt rely on new cheap labour in order to expand.

    The Euro is fecked, most countries apart from Germany seem to be doing badly, as for Greece, Italy, Portugal - they will never be able to pay back their debt. Civil war or disintegration fuelled by a very bad economic outlook. The EU needs to change and very soon.
    Last edited by ninianclark; 12-02-17 at 12:28.

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    Re: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    Quote Originally Posted by ninianclark View Post
    The annoying thing is that ALL of this (brexit included) could have been avoided if the EU commission and Parliament actually listened rather than dictated. It's probably too far gone now to change.

    But if they had gone back to a pre Maastricht arrangement - where you had to apply to go and live in another EU country and that country had the right to refuse entry etc. Maybe an EU that was tougher on entry to the Euro or an EU that didnt rely on new cheap labour in order to expand.

    The Euro is fecked, most countries apart from Germany seem to be doing badly, as for Greece, Italy, Portugal - they will never be able to pay back their debt. Civil war or disintegration fuelled by a very bad economic outlook. The EU needs to change and very soon.
    The EU never had any intention of listening, it was based on deceit right from the very beginning.

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    Re: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    These French riots taking place all over France can only benefit one person.

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    Re: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    Looks like it could be a straight choice between Frexit or Remain, with the other candidates in favour of remaining in the EU?

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a7600206.html

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    Re: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    Macron still the favourite too win here, Marie Le Penn looks good odds at 2/1 though.

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    Re: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    Macron still the favourite too win here, Marie Le Penn looks good odds at 2/1 though.
    Thing is, just like Brexit, people aren't going to tell the polsters that they are going to vote for Le Penn. She is also running that vodoo Cambridge Analytica software that helped bring Trump and Brexit their victories.

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    Re: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    Can't believe she's been accused of 'improper behaviour' for refusing to wear that headscarf.

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    Re: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R View Post
    Can't believe she's been accused of 'improper behaviour' for refusing to wear that headscarf.
    It's how the globalists roll, they throw muck and see what sticks. If they can't blackmail you, they will try to discredit you. Luckily for Le Pen the Cambridge Analytica system largely bypasses the media, through direct engagement with the electorate, as shown by Brexit and Trump. But still the media will continue with their slurs, as it's all they know. Here is the latest - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39102189

    However http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017...shment-admits/
    Last edited by Wales-Bales; 27-02-17 at 17:38.

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    Re: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    It's how the globalists roll, they throw muck and see what sticks. If they can't blackmail you, they will try to discredit you. Luckily for Le Pen the Cambridge Analytica system largely bypasses the media, through direct engagement with the electorate, as shown by Brexit and Trump. But still the media will continue with their slurs, as it's all they know. Here is the latest - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39102189

    However http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017...shment-admits/
    Just out of interest, could you supply some specific quotes of criticism of Le Pen that has so offended Mrs Steve and yourself. I've had a bit of a look and can't find any, apart from the Sunni organisation that set up the meeting.

    I suspect that no one on here would criticise anyone for refusing to wear a headscarf, I certainly wouldn't.

    It appears that she was informed the night before that it would be required, but seems she turned up anyway for a photo opportunity and a soundbite.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/0...150240682.html

    I would have linked the Daily Mail article for you, but for some reason their copy missed out the bit about her previous knowledge of the requirement.

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    Re: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Veg1960 View Post
    Just out of interest, could you supply some specific quotes of criticism of Le Pen that has so offended Mrs Steve and yourself. I've had a bit of a look and can't find any, apart from the Sunni organisation that set up the meeting.

    I suspect that no one on here would criticise anyone for refusing to wear a headscarf, I certainly wouldn't.

    It appears that she was informed the night before that it would be required, but seems she turned up anyway for a photo opportunity and a soundbite.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/0...150240682.html

    I would have linked the Daily Mail article for you, but for some reason their copy missed out the bit about her previous knowledge of the requirement.
    Nothing is offending me, but it is a given that Trump, Corbyn, Farage and Let Pen will all be given the same kind of treatment by the MSM. With the exception of Corbyn, the other 3 are well capable of looking after themselves.

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    Re: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Veg1960 View Post
    Just out of interest, could you supply some specific quotes of criticism of Le Pen that has so offended Mrs Steve and yourself. I've had a bit of a look and can't find any, apart from the Sunni organisation that set up the meeting.

    I suspect that no one on here would criticise anyone for refusing to wear a headscarf, I certainly wouldn't.

    It appears that she was informed the night before that it would be required, but seems she turned up anyway for a photo opportunity and a soundbite.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/0...150240682.html

    I would have linked the Daily Mail article for you, but for some reason their copy missed out the bit about her previous knowledge of the requirement.
    I saw it on here and one or two others but I was mostly talking about the groups and forums where I've seen people talking about it, I'm not offended by the way, not much offends me.
    http://www.thelocal.fr/20170221/le-p...-muslim-leader

    I can see why people might think it was a publicity stunt, if it were me and I'd been informed the night before about the scarf I think I would have done the same thing though, I would look at like I had done my bit by turning up as I am.

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    Re: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    Macron, who came from nowhere recently as a candidate with 50 full-time staff and instantly became the preferred candidate of all the French corporate media is, ding-ding, an ex-Rothschild banker. Polls show him beating Le Pen 60%-40% in a run-off for the top job.

    Earlier he was splattered with a protester's egg. Vid here: https://twitter.com/jbmarteau/status...rc=twsrc%5Etfw

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    Re: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    Le Pen and her supporters are bypassing the media and communicating directly with the voters. I'm sure the Rothschild connection will go against Macron at the ballot box.

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    Re: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    It's now being predicted that Le Pen could get 40% to 45% in the second round of voting! The closer we get, the more it is looking like a Brexit/Trump type of scenario.

    Divisions in anti-Le Pen front open a narrow path to victory

    Will it be au revoir EU?

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    Re: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    Viewers react to Marine Le Pen's vision of France

    For many 60 Minutes viewers, Anderson Cooper's report, "Le Pen," served as an introduction to the longtime politician

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minut...marine-le-pen/

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    Re: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    It's now being predicted that Le Pen could get 40% to 45% in the second round of voting! The closer we get, the more it is looking like a Brexit/Trump type of scenario.

    Divisions in anti-Le Pen front open a narrow path to victory

    Will it be au revoir EU?
    Feeling that the establishment need to listen more and acting to give more control to those backed by Rupert Murdoch are, to me, contrasting points. We will have to wait and see whether the French understand the irony better than the UK and US.

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    Re: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    Quote Originally Posted by surge View Post
    Feeling that the establishment need to listen more and acting to give more control to those backed by Rupert Murdoch are, to me, contrasting points. We will have to wait and see whether the French understand the irony better than the UK and US.
    We have the Dutch , French and German elections coming up - no matter what the result the EU will not change. They seem incapable of being able to change - so they may well find out that it will be changed for them.

    Hollande (and his spend spend spend socialist experiment ) has done a runner - I remember some posters on here saying that Hollande was doing it the right way to deal with economy - that worked out well then.

    Merkel surely wont win in Germany , not sure who the main players are in the Netherlands other than the current bloke and Geert Wilders.

    Interesting times

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    Re: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    Quote Originally Posted by ninianclark View Post
    We have the Dutch , French and German elections coming up - no matter what the result the EU will not change. They seem incapable of being able to change - so they may well find out that it will be changed for them.

    Hollande (and his spend spend spend socialist experiment ) has done a runner - I remember some posters on here saying that Hollande was doing it the right way to deal with economy - that worked out well then.

    Merkel surely wont win in Germany , not sure who the main players are in the Netherlands other than the current bloke and Geert Wilders.

    Interesting times
    France is the big one, and we could be witnessing history in the making. 45% is a key figure, as it's within the margin of error where they cannot rule out a victory for Le Pen, and as mentioned above, many people won't be telling the polsters that they intend to vote for her. It's exactly how Brexit/Trump played out, except this time it would be off the Richter scale.
    Last edited by Wales-Bales; 13-03-17 at 11:14.

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    Re: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    Some of you lads are getting too near to creaming your jeans.

    Le Pen will NEVER win in France as an unholy alliance of right and left cyunts will
    come together to defeat her , just like her old daddy.

    Have split my time between France and the UK for over 25 years.

    Watch and learn.

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    Re: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    Let Pen is through to the final then

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39686993

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    Re: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    Macron, France's ex Finance Minister and Rothschild employee, portrayed himself as an anti-establishment candidate (please, stop laughing). He created his own party a year ago, funded it and his large personal staff from we know not where and amazingly, or perhaps not, the French corporate media all backed him for President with indecent haste.

    His personal life is, well, quite creepy. He married his wife in 2007. She's 25 years older and was his former school teacher who he vowed to marry when he was a teenager. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politic...ntial-10284722

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    Re: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Organ Morgan. View Post
    Macron, France's ex Finance Minister and Rothschild employee, portrayed himself as an anti-establishment candidate (please, stop laughing). He created his own party a year ago, funded it and his large personal staff from we know not where and amazingly, or perhaps not, the French corporate media all backed him for President with indecent haste.

    His personal life is, well, quite creepy. He married his wife in 2007. She's 25 years older and was his former school teacher who he vowed to marry when he was a teenager. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politic...ntial-10284722
    Is he Sludge?

    I wondered where Mr Factory had disappeared to

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    Re: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    The article in the OP was right about a collapsing French establishment. It has collapsed! Who'd have thought it would actually happen?

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    Re: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Organ Morgan. View Post
    Macron, France's ex Finance Minister and Rothschild employee, portrayed himself as an anti-establishment candidate (please, stop laughing). He created his own party a year ago, funded it and his large personal staff from we know not where and amazingly, or perhaps not, the French corporate media all backed him for President with indecent haste.

    His personal life is, well, quite creepy. He married his wife in 2007. She's 25 years older and was his former school teacher who he vowed to marry when he was a teenager. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politic...ntial-10284722
    What a weirdo. It makes you wonder what they've got on him. It they vote him in rather than Le Pen then they deserve all they get. Only Le Pen can save France. Every mention of her in our biased media is prefaced by the insult "far right" when she is probably more left wing than our Labour Party in the traditional sense of the term.

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    Re: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    Quote Originally Posted by David Vincent View Post
    What a weirdo.
    What the hell is he doing there?

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    Re: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWales View Post
    Some of you lads are getting too near to creaming your jeans.

    Le Pen will NEVER win in France as an unholy alliance of right and left cyunts will
    come together to defeat her , just like her old daddy.

    Have split my time between France and the UK for over 25 years.

    Watch and learn.
    How much should I pile on the weirdo fella, and will you underwrite my bet?

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    Re: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    "Marine Le Pen steps down as leader of France's Front National in bid to widen appeal ahead of presidential election"
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...nal-bid-widen/

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    Re: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    Horrible racist bitch, hope Macron storms it.

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    Re: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    Quote Originally Posted by CardiffIrish2 View Post
    Horrible racist bitch, hope Macron storms it.
    Yep.

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    Re: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    Quote Originally Posted by CardiffIrish2 View Post
    Horrible racist bitch, hope Macron storms it.
    Wrong on so many levels. She just wants her country to remain secular instead of it being run by a load of religious lunatics. She wants to protect the wages and working conditions of working people by reducing immigration. The globalist goal is to keep importing cheap labour until working people are no more than slaves. She wants to protect French jobs. The globalists want to export these jobs to cheaper countries. Viva Le Pen.

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    Re: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    Quote Originally Posted by David Vincent View Post
    What a weirdo. It makes you wonder what they've got on him. It they vote him in rather than Le Pen then they deserve all they get. Only Le Pen can save France. Every mention of her in our biased media is prefaced by the insult "far right" when she is probably more left wing than our Labour Party in the traditional sense of the term.
    France can't be saved; it'll be a majority Muslim country before Britain. The Muslim population of France is 7.5%. Here it's 4.8%. In Holland, Belgium and Germany it's around 6%. A mass cultural suicide of Western Europe while their indigenous populations grow fat and ever more disinterested as they log on to Facebook, gawp at mobile phones or sat glued to made-for-morons TV shows.

    You're correct about the repetitive use of the "far right" label in order to dismiss her. I think she'll wallop the Globalist candidate in debates but whether it'll make enough difference I somehow doubt.

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    Re: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Organ Morgan. View Post
    France can't be saved; it'll be a majority Muslim country before Britain. The Muslim population of France is 7.5%. Here it's 4.8%. In Holland, Belgium and Germany it's around 6%. A mass cultural suicide of Western Europe while their indigenous populations grow fat and ever more disinterested as they log on to Facebook, gawp at mobile phones or sat glued to made-for-morons TV shows.

    You're correct about the repetitive use of the "far right" label in order to dismiss her. I think she'll wallop the Globalist candidate in debates but whether it'll make enough difference I somehow doubt.
    Just to clear things up, is Less Pen :-

    a) far left
    b) centre left
    c) centre right
    d) FAR RIGHT

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    Re: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    Are you beginning to get how this works now? #France2017 https://t.co/1b6N9aupYP

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    Re: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    Are you beginning to get how this works now? #France2017 https://t.co/1b6N9aupYP
    I'd grab the daughter and get out of politics. It's Win Win
    Last edited by Wales-Bales; 25-04-17 at 22:22.

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    Re: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Organ Morgan. View Post
    France can't be saved; it'll be a majority Muslim country before Britain. The Muslim population of France is 7.5%. Here it's 4.8%. In Holland, Belgium and Germany it's around 6%. A mass cultural suicide of Western Europe while their indigenous populations grow fat and ever more disinterested as they log on to Facebook, gawp at mobile phones or sat glued to made-for-morons TV shows.

    You're correct about the repetitive use of the "far right" label in order to dismiss her. I think she'll wallop the Globalist candidate in debates but whether it'll make enough difference I somehow doubt.
    It is probably is too late but the French might just wake up in time to prevent an Islamic takeover. It is interesting to see Le Pen did least well in the west where Muslims are not so common. Michel Houellebecq's novel Submission explains how France will probably fall. You will notice a strong resemblance to yourself in the photo of him below. But I don't think he looks quite as dissipated as you.

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/20...c-probably-yes

    There is a very good review of the book here by the great Dr Anthony Daniels (aka Theodore Dalrymple) :

    http://www.newcriterion.com/articles...bmission--8075

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    Re: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    Macron will beat le Pen former , he is a liberal centralist, ex investment banker , who has managed to sit in the middle of a left and right battle in France, and divide it .

    Strangely that may eventually play out on Britain in five years time , the majority of ordinary voters do not want the far right or left old dogma politics , they wants a balanced fair, strong and secure society , with policies that can be funded and work , tough controls on matters such as immigration , benefit fraud , pensions , over paid executives, but fair ones that makes us a better people .

    Its a pity our Liberal party can't become a tougher bunch, and pull in the centralist of Labour and Tories that might appeal .

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    Re: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Macron will beat le Pen former , he is a liberal centralist, ex investment banker , who has managed to sit in the middle of a left and right battle in France, and divide it .

    Strangely that may eventually play out on Britain in five years time , the majority of ordinary voters do not want the far right or left old dogma politics , they wants a balanced fair, strong and secure society , with policies that can be funded and work , tough controls on matters such as immigration , benefit fraud , pensions , over paid executives, but fair ones that makes us a better people .

    Its a pity our Liberal party can't become a tougher bunch, and pull in the centralist of Labour and Tories that might appeal .
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    Re: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Macron will beat le Pen former , he is a liberal centralist, ex investment banker , who has managed to sit in the middle of a left and right battle in France, and divide it .

    Strangely that may eventually play out on Britain in five years time , the majority of ordinary voters do not want the far right or left old dogma politics , they wants a balanced fair, strong and secure society , with policies that can be funded and work , tough controls on matters such as immigration , benefit fraud , pensions , over paid executives, but fair ones that makes us a better people .

    Its a pity our Liberal party can't become a tougher bunch, and pull in the centralist of Labour and Tories that might appeal .
    You want politicians who don't have a political philosophy. It seems to have escaped your notice that politicians who don't really believe in anything are the ones who have caused so much trouble - e.g. Blair. They are only in politics for what they can get for themselves. The facts show that Liberal Democrats on a national and local level are usually the most corrupt politicians.

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    Re: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    Quote Originally Posted by David Vincent View Post
    You want politicians who don't have a political philosophy. It seems to have escaped your notice that politicians who don't really believe in anything are the ones who have caused so much trouble - e.g. Blair. They are only in politics for what they can get for themselves. The facts show that Liberal Democrats on a national and local level are usually the most corrupt politicians.
    Facts ?????????

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