The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

[the other bob wilson]

Racists beaten in Austria, beaten in Holland and now in France - mainland Europe refuses to go where Britain and the USA could be headed.

I share many of the misgivings about an "establishment" that are actually in charge and would say I'm exactly the sort of person who should be attracted to any movement that is set up to fight it, but my problem is the same as it's been for the past year and more - why does the alternative have to be odious men and women who look to make their impact by spouting intolerance and hate?

[lardy]

Racists beaten in Austria, beaten in Holland and now in France - mainland Europe refuses to go where Britain and the USA could be headed.

I share many of the misgivings about an "establishment" that are actually in charge and would say I'm exactly the sort of person who should be attracted to any movement that is set up to fight it, but my problem is the same as it's been for the past year and more - why does the alternative have to be odious men and women who look to make their impact by spouting intolerance and hate?

Always amuses me to see the likes of trump and farage being spoken about as if they're anti-establishment in some way.

[Wales-Bales]

Racists beaten in Austria, beaten in Holland and now in France - mainland Europe refuses to go where Britain and the USA could be headed.

I share many of the misgivings about an "establishment" that are actually in charge and would say I'm exactly the sort of person who should be attracted to any movement that is set up to fight it, but my problem is the same as it's been for the past year and more - why does the alternative have to be odious men and women who look to make their impact by spouting intolerance and hate?

I agree, but until people realise they are in a rigged game and decide to do something about it, everything will remain the same. It seems like people spend their entire lives waiting for a candidate of hope to come along, but they never do, do they? They start off with nice words, but soon morph into the political stooges that they really are. It's all a trick, just invent some heart-warming stories and the suckers will swallow every word, there is no need to speak any truth or include elements of reality, illusions are the name of the game

[Mrs Steve R]

I agree, but until people realise they are in a rigged game and decide to do something about it, everything will remain the same. It seems like people spend their entire lives waiting for a candidate of hope to come along, but they never do, do they? They start off with nice words, but soon morph into the political stooges that they really are. It's all a trick, just invent some heart-warming stories and the suckers will swallow every word, there is no need to speak any truth or include elements of reality, illusions are the name of the game

I think we are way past the point of being able to do something about it.

[Wales-Bales]

I think we are way past the point of being able to do something about it.

Why? What happened? Have new political movements been banned?

[Mrs Steve R]

Why? What happened? Have new political movements been banned?

We talked about this before with Trump and my question is always the same, if the system is rigged how can anyone other than their puppets get elected?

[Wales-Bales]

We talked about this before with Trump and my question is always the same, if the system is rigged how can anyone other than their puppets get elected?

Start a new party that will appeal to the majority​ of voters? However the big hurdle would be overcoming peoples lifelong indoctrination, which begins at school.

[Mrs Steve R]

Start a new party that will appeal to the majority​ of voters? However the big hurdle would be overcoming peoples lifelong indoctrination, which begins at school.

Same question, how will they get elected if it's all rigged? I would love to think it would be as easy as that but I don't think it would be.