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Thread: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

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    Re: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Facts ?????????
    For a start just look at the Liberal MPs in the 1970s. There were only a handful of them but that short list included Jeremy Thorpe, who got away with attempted murder because of an establishment cover up, Clement Freud, who would be in prison now if he was still alive, and Cyril Smith.

    Lets jump to the 2006 Liberal Democratic leadership contest. Look at three of the top four candidates. In fourth position you had Mark Oaten. He was the Liberal Democratic spokesman for Home Affairs, but you would not want to know about the affairs was having in his own home with rentboys. His predilection would be thought disgusting and insane by any normal person. But what has his sex life got to do with his political principles you might say. Well it seems that like most Liberal Democrats, he had no real principles or beliefs. He ended up working for the International Fur Trade Federation. His two main Liberal Democratic supporters were Lembit Öpik, we all know about that clown, and Mike Hancock. Anyone who follows politics will know about the outrageous antics of the latter.

    In third place you had Simon Hughes, who was famous for launching an anti-gay campaign against Peter Tachell, his Labour opponent. It turned out that Hughes was a gay hypocrite. In fact, Hughes's whole career was characterised by lies and hypocrisy.

    Jailbird Chris Huhne came second. He started off as a Guardian writer so it seems as if he was lying for a living even before he became an MP. He is now making a fortune working for Selim Zilkh a oligarch who has moved into the biomass racket. We are now buying the trees Zilkh is cutting down in America to fuel our power stations. Who was the Energy and Climate Change Secretary who championed the use of biomass in power stations? You've got it – Chris Huhne.

    You might say I've just selected a few bad apples, but these are the top people. If it is rotten at the top then it is going to be rotten all the way down.

  2. #42

    Re: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    Quote Originally Posted by David Vincent View Post
    For a start just look at the Liberal MPs in the 1970s. There were only a handful of them but that short list included Jeremy Thorpe, who got away with attempted murder because of an establishment cover up, Clement Freud, who would be in prison now if he was still alive, and Cyril Smith.

    Lets jump to the 2006 Liberal Democratic leadership contest. Look at three of the top four candidates. In fourth position you had Mark Oaten. He was the Liberal Democratic spokesman for Home Affairs, but you would not want to know about the affairs was having in his own home with rentboys. His predilection would be thought disgusting and insane by any normal person. But what has his sex life got to do with his political principles you might say. Well it seems that like most Liberal Democrats, he had no real principles or beliefs. He ended up working for the International Fur Trade Federation. His two main Liberal Democratic supporters were Lembit Öpik, we all know about that clown, and Mike Hancock. Anyone who follows politics will know about the outrageous antics of the latter.

    In third place you had Simon Hughes, who was famous for launching an anti-gay campaign against Peter Tachell, his Labour opponent. It turned out that Hughes was a gay hypocrite. In fact, Hughes's whole career was characterised by lies and hypocrisy.

    Jailbird Chris Huhne came second. He started off as a Guardian writer so it seems as if he was lying for a living even before he became an MP. He is now making a fortune working for Selim Zilkh a oligarch who has moved into the biomass racket. We are now buying the trees Zilkh is cutting down in America to fuel our power stations. Who was the Energy and Climate Change Secretary who championed the use of biomass in power stations? You've got it – Chris Huhne.

    You might say I've just selected a few bad apples, but these are the top people. If it is rotten at the top then it is going to be rotten all the way down.
    To quote you, that's all dragged from the evil right wing media, you need to dig under under the belly of false news and reveal the underworld of truth ,I'm sure your views on the secular Le Penn , clarifies your mixed views .

  3. #43

    Re: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    Here's an interesting take on the demographics of France. The French state does not collect ethnicity data either at censuses or through other means; all French people are simply "French". However, this analysis looks at the proportion of newborns in French regions who are at risk of sickle-cell anaemia, a disease that very rarely affects those of white European origin.

    A warning to snowflakes: the website to which I'm linking is concerned with race and immigration so avoid if easily triggered.

    http://www.westernpolitics.net/hbd/s...french-people/

  4. #44

    Re: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    I told you all what would happen a couple of weeks back.

    Great result and glad the racist cow got a pasting.

  5. #45

    Re: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWales View Post
    I told you all what would happen a couple of weeks back.

    Great result and glad the racist cow got a pasting.
    Great news! Very heartening to see the people of France sticking two fingers up to the politics of hate.

  6. #46

    Re: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    Now France has a head of state who spent years working for the Rothschilds. You lefty liberal types must be overjoyed.

  7. #47

    Re: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    The French will get precious little sympathy for moaning about the Islamification of their country after today's result.

  8. #48

    Re: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    Just 34% of the electorate backed le pens far right programme. It seems the majority of French citizens are not, like so many in our country have done, falling for the narrative that immigration is to blame for the countries problems.

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    Re: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    It's all about Europe and the EU.

    The French have chosen a Goldman Sachs insider with no political experience to determine their future. A candidate who was backed by the establishment and it's establishment media. Now it is up to Macron to deliver the rebirth of Europe that he has promised the electorate, and it has to be in the interests of the people, not the establishment.

    Good luck with that one, but let's wait and see.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...on-presidency/

    https://www.ft.com/content/da3404fc-...4-9023f8c0fd2e

  10. #50

    Re: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    Christine Lagarde as French Prime Minister?

    http://www.newsmax.com/JohnGizzi/Fra.../07/id/788648/

  11. #51

    Re: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    I dare the Macron cheerleaders to read this https://politicalvelcraft.org/2017/0...or-bank-fraud/

  12. #52

    Re: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    Racists beaten in Austria, beaten in Holland and now in France - mainland Europe refuses to go where Britain and the USA could be headed.

    I share many of the misgivings about an "establishment" that are actually in charge and would say I'm exactly the sort of person who should be attracted to any movement that is set up to fight it, but my problem is the same as it's been for the past year and more - why does the alternative have to be odious men and women who look to make their impact by spouting intolerance and hate?

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    Re: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Racists beaten in Austria, beaten in Holland and now in France - mainland Europe refuses to go where Britain and the USA could be headed.

    I share many of the misgivings about an "establishment" that are actually in charge and would say I'm exactly the sort of person who should be attracted to any movement that is set up to fight it, but my problem is the same as it's been for the past year and more - why does the alternative have to be odious men and women who look to make their impact by spouting intolerance and hate?
    Always amuses me to see the likes of trump and farage being spoken about as if they're anti-establishment in some way.

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    Re: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Racists beaten in Austria, beaten in Holland and now in France - mainland Europe refuses to go where Britain and the USA could be headed.

    I share many of the misgivings about an "establishment" that are actually in charge and would say I'm exactly the sort of person who should be attracted to any movement that is set up to fight it, but my problem is the same as it's been for the past year and more - why does the alternative have to be odious men and women who look to make their impact by spouting intolerance and hate?
    I agree, but until people realise they are in a rigged game and decide to do something about it, everything will remain the same. It seems like people spend their entire lives waiting for a candidate of hope to come along, but they never do, do they? They start off with nice words, but soon morph into the political stooges that they really are. It's all a trick, just invent some heart-warming stories and the suckers will swallow every word, there is no need to speak any truth or include elements of reality, illusions are the name of the game

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    Re: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    I agree, but until people realise they are in a rigged game and decide to do something about it, everything will remain the same. It seems like people spend their entire lives waiting for a candidate of hope to come along, but they never do, do they? They start off with nice words, but soon morph into the political stooges that they really are. It's all a trick, just invent some heart-warming stories and the suckers will swallow every word, there is no need to speak any truth or include elements of reality, illusions are the name of the game
    I think we are way past the point of being able to do something about it.
    'It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R View Post
    I think we are way past the point of being able to do something about it.
    Why? What happened? Have new political movements been banned?

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    Re: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Why? What happened? Have new political movements been banned?
    We talked about this before with Trump and my question is always the same, if the system is rigged how can anyone other than their puppets get elected?
    'It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled'

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    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    Always amuses me to see the likes of trump and farage being spoken about as if they're anti-establishment in some way.
    Yes the Millionaire stock broker who keeps going on about the establishment yet is desperate for a knighthood and the billionaire businessman who's been in the news one way or another for 30 years.
    God bless those anti establishment Tyoes eh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R View Post
    We talked about this before with Trump and my question is always the same, if the system is rigged how can anyone other than their puppets get elected?
    Start a new party that will appeal to the majority​ of voters? However the big hurdle would be overcoming peoples lifelong indoctrination, which begins at school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Start a new party that will appeal to the majority​ of voters? However the big hurdle would be overcoming peoples lifelong indoctrination, which begins at school.
    Same question, how will they get elected if it's all rigged? I would love to think it would be as easy as that but I don't think it would be.
    'It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R View Post
    Same question, how will they get elected if it's all rigged? I would love to think it would be as easy as that but I don't think it would be.
    What do you think is rigged?

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    Re: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    What do you think is rigged?
    WB said it's a rigged game, I'm assuming he meant the system, I'm not saying it is or it isn't, I'm just saying if you believe it is then you can't believe that a new party would change anything.
    'It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled'

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    Re: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    It's all about Europe and the EU.

    The French have chosen a Goldman Sachs insider with no political experience to determine their future. A candidate who was backed by the establishment and it's establishment media. Now it is up to Macron to deliver the rebirth of Europe that he has promised the electorate, and it has to be in the interests of the people, not the establishment.

    Good luck with that one, but let's wait and see.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...on-presidency/

    https://www.ft.com/content/da3404fc-...4-9023f8c0fd2e
    He was Minister of Finance earlier in Hollande's government. So much for no experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R View Post
    WB said it's a rigged game, I'm assuming he meant the system, I'm not saying it is or it isn't, I'm just saying if you believe it is then you can't believe that a new party would change anything.
    I was talking about the choice of candidates, you would have to bypass the gatekeepers.

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    Re: The French election is now Marine Le Pen vs a collapsing French establishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    I was talking about the choice of candidates, you would have to bypass the gatekeepers.
    I get what you mean.
    'It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled'

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Vincent View Post
    For a start just look at the Liberal MPs in the 1970s. There were only a handful of them but that short list included Jeremy Thorpe, who got away with attempted murder because of an establishment cover up, Clement Freud, who would be in prison now if he was still alive, and Cyril Smith.

    Lets jump to the 2006 Liberal Democratic leadership contest. Look at three of the top four candidates. In fourth position you had Mark Oaten. He was the Liberal Democratic spokesman for Home Affairs, but you would not want to know about the affairs was having in his own home with rentboys. His predilection would be thought disgusting and insane by any normal person. But what has his sex life got to do with his political principles you might say. Well it seems that like most Liberal Democrats, he had no real principles or beliefs. He ended up working for the International Fur Trade Federation. His two main Liberal Democratic supporters were Lembit Öpik, we all know about that clown, and Mike Hancock. Anyone who follows politics will know about the outrageous antics of the latter.

    In third place you had Simon Hughes, who was famous for launching an anti-gay campaign against Peter Tachell, his Labour opponent. It turned out that Hughes was a gay hypocrite. In fact, Hughes's whole career was characterised by lies and hypocrisy.

    Jailbird Chris Huhne came second. He started off as a Guardian writer so it seems as if he was lying for a living even before he became an MP. He is now making a fortune working for Selim Zilkh a oligarch who has moved into the biomass racket. We are now buying the trees Zilkh is cutting down in America to fuel our power stations. Who was the Energy and Climate Change Secretary who championed the use of biomass in power stations? You've got it – Chris Huhne.

    You might say I've just selected a few bad apples, but these are the top people. If it is rotten at the top then it is going to be rotten all the way down.
    And there was I thinking that the Lib Dems were the party of the pure , honest and caring for all party....

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