Dreadful night for Labour. A triumph for the Tories. I suspect there will be another challenge to Corbyn's leadership but this time from bigger player. Unless Labour get their act together they face a disaster in 2020.
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Labour retain Stoke albeit with a reduced majority and shortly afterwards get thumped by the tories in Copeland.
Whether 'Blessed be the name of the Lord' then applies really depends on your point of view!!
Dreadful night for Labour. A triumph for the Tories. I suspect there will be another challenge to Corbyn's leadership but this time from bigger player. Unless Labour get their act together they face a disaster in 2020.
UKIP look finished, not sure where they go from here.
Labour need a change of leadership, fortunately for them the electorate only votes on things in the 12-18 months before an election.but they seriously need to get their shit together.
I like Corbyn, but the media have done such a number on him that his public perception is unrescuable. I know people who have a seriously negative view of him but could not tell you why or what any of his policies are. You cannot come back from that.
It's all very predictable, the anti-Corbyn media protecting the establishment, and the Labour Party full of Globalists who don't care about local UK policies. I agree UKIP are finished. So does Arron Banks, who is waiting in the wings to form a new Trump inspired populist party.
Don't underestimate Banks, he has already made numerous trips to meet with Trump and his people. A British/US alliance would make a lot of sense for both parties. There is also that whole Breitbart/Cambridge Analytica thing going on. Besides that, Trump has already proved that you don't need an endless supply of cash to win an election race. Analytics, web based media, and social media are very powerful tools these days.
Very good night for the Tories :
UKIP done away from a very winnable seat so not another UKIP MP in the commons tp worry about
Labour Leader to staying mist please them ,who although has a big membership , it doesn't appear to appeal to the people on the streets Tories who should be under pressure, are now not facing any tough electoral opposition for another few months.
I wonder if we will see more centralist Labour resignation , and is this some form of concerted effort from within the PLP to create these by elections?? there must be a few centralist Labour MP like Hunt who feel doomed , or looking at deselection ,so got nothing to lose but walk away ,cause chaos,put pressure on the leadership , and sail off to a nice job and quieter life ??
This is part of the problem for Labour. There are not many heavyweight politicians in the shadow cabinet.
There are plenty of up and coming politicians in the ranks but they have yet to gain the trust of the public.
Now is not Labour's time. Similar to the Tories in the noughties. I did not think for one minute the Tories were finished back then. Nor do I think Labour are done for now but believe 2025 may well be the earliest they regain power as by then the electorate are likely to be fed up of the Tories.
The problem with the Labour Party is that change,meaning to more centre politics is impossible because the majority of party members who vote in leaders such as Corbyn live in cloud cuckoo land. He should resign now and the leadership selection should be remodelled ,and then maybe in 10 years time you may see a labour government again, I'll be gone by then
Why should Labour have to be centrist? A lot of us don't want them to be a watered down version of the Tories. A radical and energised Labour party under a charismatic leader with plans to sort out our forgotten towns and cities is what is required. Corbyn is not the answer but in truth he was never given a chance by the press who set out to destroy him from the word go.
Corbyn is uncharasmatic and uninspiring. He needs to find some passion fast.
So who is the answer to this energised Labour party under a charismatic leader as it seems to me that the left are highly principled whcih doesn't sit with charisma and energy , forward looking, new principles is not looking back at resurrecting old social attitudes ,its about being bold a new a setting an agenda that challenges the norm putting pressure on a Tory government that is ploughing the same furrow without being challenged ,like it or not to get elected as a government your words are critical " energised Labour party under a charismatic leader, I would add new thoughts , direction, acceptance that some parts of the NHS can no longer be fully be funded from the pubic purse ,stop using it as a political football , be strong on the benefits systems so it rewards workers and avoids them choice of doing nothing , put up taxes to fund social care ,front up defense on moral grounds, agree too many immigrants find it easy to land on our shares not to seek benefits but earn our generous minimum wage ,and fix it .
Possibly Dan Jarvis. If not him maybe Clive Lewis. I wouldn't rule out Keir Starmer although he is more solid than charismatic. Some of your comments above are fair enough but not in regard to immigrants. We are already hearing of sectors worried that there will be a shortage of labour because of Brexit.
Good for you on pointing out my typo. Maastricht is a capital M by the way. I would add overlooked is one word.I understand your comments but ultimately its down to the employer what they pay and I suspect its often below the minimum wage. Thats not the fault of the EU nor the immigrant. Its not the market either. Its the specific individual employer.To blame others is an abrogation of ths employer's responsibility.
I'm not saying no immigration , I am purely pointing out what Labour voters generally think and see , hence their steer towards UKIP, the mood music form the current Labour administration does not appear to be about any control ,regulation, quotas,or even forward discussion , as it crosses those highly held principles , that were fine 20 years ago , not any longer, you only have to see the impact in the poorest northern towns or run down coastal areas ,the big cities are in need of this labour , and its absorbed and hidden .
I think regional quotas may be the answer as places like London would grind to a halt with our migration labour
Here's an idea , we pay £1 above the migrants originating countries minimum wage , with another £1 for big city employment. Benefits paid after one of continued work for more than a year , if no work has been found by year two, a free passage return to their originating country and town .
The tough question for die hard socialist ,would they. would they support charges for minor GP visits/care fort those who can afford it , charges at A&E for drunken injuries , to ease the burden, stop child benefit for the £100k per annum families , stand up to pointless greedy strikes, like train drivers , instead of saying nothing , all radical but in another direction ,for me to keep voting Labour I'd like new ideas that carry some pain , and risk , its too easy to say nationalise this , let more people in we have plenty , tax the rich,its so old hat ?