Labour retain Stoke albeit with a reduced majority and shortly afterwards get thumped by the tories in Copeland.
Whether 'Blessed be the name of the Lord' then applies really depends on your point of view!!
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Labour retain Stoke albeit with a reduced majority and shortly afterwards get thumped by the tories in Copeland.
Whether 'Blessed be the name of the Lord' then applies really depends on your point of view!!
Dreadful night for Labour. A triumph for the Tories. I suspect there will be another challenge to Corbyn's leadership but this time from bigger player. Unless Labour get their act together they face a disaster in 2020.
UKIP look finished, not sure where they go from here.
Labour need a change of leadership, fortunately for them the electorate only votes on things in the 12-18 months before an election.but they seriously need to get their shit together.
I like Corbyn, but the media have done such a number on him that his public perception is unrescuable. I know people who have a seriously negative view of him but could not tell you why or what any of his policies are. You cannot come back from that.
It's all very predictable, the anti-Corbyn media protecting the establishment, and the Labour Party full of Globalists who don't care about local UK policies. I agree UKIP are finished. So does Arron Banks, who is waiting in the wings to form a new Trump inspired populist party.
Possibly Dan Jarvis. If not him maybe Clive Lewis. I wouldn't rule out Keir Starmer although he is more solid than charismatic. Some of your comments above are fair enough but not in regard to immigrants. We are already hearing of sectors worried that there will be a shortage of labour because of Brexit.
I'm not saying no immigration , I am purely pointing out what Labour voters generally think and see , hence their steer towards UKIP, the mood music form the current Labour administration does not appear to be about any control ,regulation, quotas,or even forward discussion , as it crosses those highly held principles , that were fine 20 years ago , not any longer, you only have to see the impact in the poorest northern towns or run down coastal areas ,the big cities are in need of this labour , and its absorbed and hidden .
I think regional quotas may be the answer as places like London would grind to a halt with our migration labour
Here's an idea , we pay £1 above the migrants originating countries minimum wage , with another £1 for big city employment. Benefits paid after one of continued work for more than a year , if no work has been found by year two, a free passage return to their originating country and town .
Good for you on pointing out my typo. Maastricht is a capital M by the way. I would add overlooked is one word.I understand your comments but ultimately its down to the employer what they pay and I suspect its often below the minimum wage. Thats not the fault of the EU nor the immigrant. Its not the market either. Its the specific individual employer.To blame others is an abrogation of ths employer's responsibility.
The tough question for die hard socialist ,would they. would they support charges for minor GP visits/care fort those who can afford it , charges at A&E for drunken injuries , to ease the burden, stop child benefit for the £100k per annum families , stand up to pointless greedy strikes, like train drivers , instead of saying nothing , all radical but in another direction ,for me to keep voting Labour I'd like new ideas that carry some pain , and risk , its too easy to say nationalise this , let more people in we have plenty , tax the rich,its so old hat ?
Why not just fund it properly in the first place? The idea of a progressive taxation system is that rich people pay a bit more for the same service.
The striking thing is a myth. Someone on here at Christmas said 'striking is for middle/high earners now, I would support strikes if they were by low earners' - that week there were 3 massive strikes by groups earning minimum wage. They chose not to see them because they had made their mind up about strikes already
I would like to stop train drivers striking. But I value the right to strike more than that. In the same way that I would like to tape Nigel Farage's mouth shut but I wouldn't want to live in a country where he couldn't say whatever nonsense he was thinking. The Southern strikes have been billed as 'Drivers don't want to open and close the doors' but really they are about taking responsibility away from the guards so that they can pay them minimum wage.
I don't see why not as long as it isn't the start something sinister. Any legislation would need to make clear that the NHS would otherwise remain free at the point of delivery. Labour have been lacking ideas for well over a decade. They desperately need to come up with ideas to regenerate working class areas where their core vote is slowly but surely ebbing away.
Let's be bluntly honest we cannot afford it , its the fifth largest organisation in the world, that should stimulate thoughts of how difficult that is to fund from the public purse , never mind the drugs, equipment, building estates costs.
Madness , we have moved on from Beveridge / Bevan , I'd like to hear thier viewpoint now.
Jon was dealing with, very well I thought, a sweeping generalisation from Feedback about what and why the NHS was set up for.
You're right in saying that the NHS offers a much different, and more difficult, set of challenges than it did in Beveridge and Bevan's day, but I'd like to think that both gentleman would be able to offer more than "oh, it's too expensive, so let's wrap the whole thing up and let the private sector deal with it" if they were around now. For a start, one of them may think what has become the unthinkable in this day and age and propose that the taxes we pay should go up a bit to help finance what I for one still think of as a national treasure.
Yep Jon eloquently dealt with Mr Feedback. It hss taken me too long to notice Feedback had returned.
The Labour party may "save" the NHS but the NHS will not save Labour.
Prattling on about the NHS being in crisis all the time is so one dimensional and the voters are seeing through it. Throughout my lifetime the NHS has always been in crisis, it's how it cons more money out of government.