Reply With Quoteyou seem to be missing the point, he COULD be out in 23 yearsOriginally Posted by Croesy Blue
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I suppose that should the public's widely-held perception of prison life change from holiday camps to grim, violent hellholes then more people would fear incarceration and be deterred from committing crime.
That double murderer's lawyer yesterday offered precious little mitigation, and the judge remarked he couldn't detect any remorse - which made his low minimum sentence even more baffling.
you seem to be missing the point, he COULD be out in 23 years
I'll be checking up in 23 years, bookmarked!!
It's the could that I have an issue with.....30 would be more apt. He should have about as much hope of getting out as the bloke he knifed in the back and the young girl he chased up queen street and brutally murdered....
In the report it says he actually looked up on the internet (how long do murderers get in prison) if 50years minimum for pre meditated murder popped up then maybe he would have thought twice about carrying out what he did, and instead decided to just have a straightner with lee Simmons. All ifs and buts i know, but if there is a real detterent, then mayube these to lives could have been saved, as many others could also
Life means life, i wonder if that might have made him think about it, as it was obviously was a consideration as why would he have looked it up online ?? ?? it just might have saved 2 lives
Agree with you matt. He was obviously checking things out. Planning it. Probably seen "so and so got out after 14years and so and so got out after this many years" may have influenced his decisions. Now if like you say, his web search turned up " life means life for planned murder" he might have left it at that. Make the deterrent strong enough and people will think twice about commiting serious crime
Premeditated murder he should have been hanged
Case sent for review.
Let's hope he never gets out.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-s...wales-39184143
totally agree premeditated murder , requires the death penalty been restored that is the ultimate deterrent , not keeping them locked up at the taxpayers expense for years on end .
the , bradys, allitts neilsons, sutcliffes of this world should have gone to meet their maker a long time ago.
It would be totally wrong for the culprit to be freed in his 40's. He has ruined a number of lives. A life sentence should mean just that and he should not be released until he is an old man.
It would never happen these days. It's a violation of their "human rights", innit?totally agree premeditated murder , requires the death penalty been restored that is the ultimate deterrent , not keeping them locked up at the taxpayers expense for years on end .
the , bradys, allitts neilsons, sutcliffes of this world should have gone to meet their maker a long time ago.
its down to the people in this country, if enough people wanted a return to the death penalty for premeditated murder then it could be achieved. the problem is this country is far too much of a soft touch, certain crimes deserve no leniency whatsoever.
Should be death penalty for paedos too. The worst cases at least. It's clearly a disease, cos how often do they re-offend? You get more years for selling drugs to people who want drugs, than for molesting a young child against their will. The justice system is a joke..
as time goes by, the county leans more and more to the leftits down to the people in this country, if enough people wanted a return to the death penalty for premeditated murder then it could be achieved. the problem is this country is far too much of a soft touch, certain crimes deserve no leniency whatsoever.
You think this country is currently leaning towards the left?
Good to hear they are going to review it....double it maybe , 20 per murder.
our society is, yes
we have had a slight " blip " recently, but over the last 2 decades, we as a soceity have moved to the left
do you think our county could stomach the death penalty for this crime ? ? ?
i think millions of people in this country are disgusted that ian brady , peter sutcliffe , beverley allitt, dennis neilson and many more are actually still on this mortal coil , the reality is it costs thousands of pounds a year to keep them locked away . these are prisoners that will never see the light of day again for the heinous crimes they have committed . there only punishment is their lack of freedom after they will have become institutionalised.
they will have a roof over their heads and be getting three square meals a day along with various other recreational activities that is far more than what millions of other law abiding citizens in this country can boast about .
i think a return to the death penalty if it came to a vote for specific crimes such as these people have commited would be overwhelmingly in favour of it returning.
Proof, if it were ever needed, that we were right to abolish the death penalty in this country.i think millions of people in this country are disgusted that ian brady , peter sutcliffe , beverley allitt, dennis neilson and many more are actually still on this mortal coil , the reality is it costs thousands of pounds a year to keep them locked away . these are prisoners that will never see the light of day again for the heinous crimes they have committed . there only punishment is their lack of freedom after they will have become institutionalised.
they will have a roof over their heads and be getting three square meals a day along with various other recreational activities that is far more than what millions of other law abiding citizens in this country can boast about .
i think a return to the death penalty if it came to a vote for specific crimes such as these people have commited would be overwhelmingly in favour of it returning.
the death penalty was abolished in the 1950,s sunshine, a very long time ago, we live in a completely different world nowadays.
It could be argued that some of those men are mentally ill, that doesn't make their crimes any less heinous of course, but I wouldn't be comfortable pressing the button on them.the death penalty was abolished in the 1950,s sunshine, a very long time ago, we live in a completely different world nowadays.
The problem that I have is that people who call for the reintroduction of the death penalty do so largely on the basis of some vicarious desire for revenge, I don't think that's a sound basis for such punishment.
Most of us are opposed to sharia law in this country, re-introduce the death penalty and you're that much closer to endorsing it.
they are locked away for their own safety and protection, i do not believe they are mentally ill, they are just genuinely evil people. the general public want proper justice , locking them away in relative comfort for the rest of their lives, does not see the punishment fit the crime in many peoples eyes, .. lets put it this way if myra hindley had ever been let out onto the streets before she died she would not have lasted five minutes
Is 'genuinely evil' not some sort of mental illness?they are locked away for their own safety and protection, i do not believe they are mentally ill, they are just genuinely evil people. the general public want proper justice , locking them away in relative comfort for the rest of their lives, does not see the punishment fit the crime in many peoples eyes, .. lets put it this way if myra hindley had ever been let out onto the streets before she died she would not have lasted five minutes
i think if you were to find that if these people were thrown out into the streets , the general public would give you your answer, especially the friends or families of the victims they mercilessly destroyed .
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