The Donald Trump thread

[the other bob wilson]

You're deluded. I know you're deluded, yet I always get dragged back into trying to debate with you - as if you're suddenly going to be open-minded about Trump. There must be something wrong with me

As you were.

If you've got Netflix, watch Behind the Curve, there are so many echoes of Gluey's behaviour in it - trying to argue that Trump is not a liar is akin to arguing that the earth is flat in my book. I don't think Gluey has claimed the earth is flat yet, but give him time.

[Wales-Bales]

If you've got Netflix, watch Behind the Curve, there are so many echoes of Gluey's behaviour in it - trying to argue that Trump is not a liar is akin to arguing that the earth is flat in my book. I don't think Gluey has claimed the earth is flat yet, but give him time.

I don't care about the characters in this drama, I am more interested in the script, which is groundbreaking regarding what the public have got to know. Usually this kind of stuff is kept behind closed doors, and they squabble internally for the sake of the greater good. You on the other hand seem to be more invested in the characters, as you totally ignore the twists and turns of the plotline. You still don't believe the basic premise that Trump (along with other Republican cadidates) were spied upon. What else was the FISA fiasco all about then? There is plenty of information that is publicly available regarding this unsavoury episode, so ignorance is no defence, yet you choose to not want to know. That is why you will never win this argument, because you are on the wrong side of history.

[the other bob wilson]

I don't care about the characters in this drama, I am more interested in the script, which is groundbreaking regarding what the public have got to know. Usually this kind of stuff is kept behind closed doors, and they squabble internally for the sake of the greater good. You on the other hand seem to be more invested in the characters, as you totally ignore the twists and turns of the plotline. You still don't believe the basic premise that Trump (along with other Republican cadidates) were spied upon. What else was the FISA fiasco all about then? There is plenty of information that is publicly available regarding this unsavoury episode, so ignorance is no defence, yet you choose to not want to know. That is why you will never win this argument, because you are on the wrong side of history.

There it is. You talk about a "groundbreaking" situation and yet you say yourself that this is something that is going on constantly. Anyone over the age of, say, fifty five should have some memory of the night when America's President had to resign because of what amounted to spying on his political opponents - what you have got so excited about has happened before and, speaking as someone who has always said that the issue for me isn't about Clintons good/Trump bad or vice versa, it just doesn't interest me much.

On the other hand, having first become aware of him in the 80s, I didn't take me long to realise that Donald Trump was a repugnant and potentially dangerous human being. You're right about it all being about the characters for me and having someone with Trump's character in the position he's in today worries me greatly.

You on the other hand seem prepared to forgive Trump of anything as you apply completely different standards to the two sides involved - it's surely obvious to anyone that Trump, whatever you may think of his politics and policies, is "a piece of work" and yet you resolutely refuse to accept this.

This brings me on to the flat earthers. In that documentary they set up two experiments designed to prove their case that had scientists saying that there was a degree of logic to them which would be hard to argue with if they returned the results the flat earthers wanted. Of course, all that both experiments ended up proving was that the world was not flat but shaped like a globe and yet still they wouldn't accept they were wrong - I immediately thought of you and Trump when I saw that.

[Wales-Bales]

There it is. You talk about a "groundbreaking" situation and yet you say yourself that this is something that is going on constantly. Anyone over the age of, say, fifty five should have some memory of the night when America's President had to resign because of what amounted to spying on his political opponents - what you have got so excited about has happened before and, speaking as someone who has always said that the issue for me isn't about Clintons good/Trump bad or vice versa, it just doesn't interest me much.

On the other hand, having first become aware of him in the 80s, I didn't take me long to realise that Donald Trump was a repugnant and potentially dangerous human being. You're right about it all being about the characters for me and having someone with Trump's character in the position he's in today worries me greatly.

You on the other hand seem prepared to forgive Trump of anything as you apply completely different standards to the two sides involved - it's surely obvious to anyone that Trump, whatever you may think of his politics and policies, is "a piece of work" and yet you resolutely refuse to accept this.

This brings me on to the flat earthers. In that documentary they set up two experiments designed to prove their case that had scientists saying that there was a degree of logic to them which would be hard to argue with if they returned the results the flat earthers wanted. Of course, all that both experiments ended up proving was that the world was not flat but shaped like a globe and yet still they wouldn't accept they were wrong - I immediately thought of you and Trump when I saw that.

I know all of this and Trump won't be there forever. What we are now seeing is a confrontation that has been 30 years in the making, and is global in scope. Somebody had to intervene, and nobody said the new sheriff had to be a likeable character. He just needs to clean up the town, and ride off into the sunset.

[Wales-Bales]

This brings me on to the flat earthers. In that documentary they set up two experiments designed to prove their case that had scientists saying that there was a degree of logic to them which would be hard to argue with if they returned the results the flat earthers wanted. Of course, all that both experiments ended up proving was that the world was not flat but shaped like a globe and yet still they wouldn't accept they were wrong - I immediately thought of you and Trump when I saw that.

How come you didn't think of lardy? He's your flat earth man right there! I stood alone and argued that the Trump Russia Collusion theory was a setup, while 95% of the world's media were not only supporting it, but they were active players. It was David v Goliath, yet the little man one. Trying to pin your flat earth analogy on me is hilarious, but it was worth a try

[the other bob wilson]

How come you didn't think of lardy? He's your flat earth man right there! I stood alone and argued that the Trump Russia Collusion theory was a setup, while 95% of the world's media were not only supporting it, but they were active players. It was David v Goliath, yet the little man one. Trying to pin your flat earth analogy on me is hilarious, but it was worth a try

There's none so blind as those who will not see.

[Wales-Bales]

There's none so blind as those who will not see.

We shall "see" how it out all turns out then won't we. While you've rightly pointed out that Watergate was a serious affair, at the end of the day it was just an internal Rebublican plot. The Trump affair involves the Democrats, some Republicans, the DOJ, FBI, CIA, IRS, foreign intel, the media, and a whole host of other players. When you say you have seen it all before, what you witnessed was a school play. This is the real deal when it comes to a nuclear option attempt to subvert democracy. Given the tools at their disposal, it is quite remarkable that they haven't been able to nail the president on a "trumped" up charge!

[Wales-Bales]

This should cheer some of you guys up

[Heisenberg]

If you've got Netflix, watch Behind the Curve, there are so many echoes of Gluey's behaviour in it - trying to argue that Trump is not a liar is akin to arguing that the earth is flat in my book. I don't think Gluey has claimed the earth is flat yet, but give him time.

Just finished it and thoroughly enjoyed it - thanks for the recommendation. As for the relation between Gluey and Flat Earthers... well... who am I to argue

[Wales-Bales]

Just finished it and thoroughly enjoyed it - thanks for the recommendation. As for the relation between Gluey and Flat Earthers... well... who am I to argue

Pffft, everybody knows that the world is square, but luckily we are not discussing that, and unfortunately some people seem to be having more trouble that others when it comes to analyzing political shenanigans. Nice distraction though.

[Heisenberg]

Pffft, everybody knows that the world is square, but luckily we are not discussing that, and unfortunately some people seem to be having more trouble that others when it comes to analyzing political shenanigans. Nice distraction though.

Thank you.

[Wales-Bales]

Thank you.

We are concerned with one storyline, that has two possible outcomes. Sombody is going to be right and sombody will be wrong, and that is the crux of the matter. I wish it would hurry up though, as I couldn't handle another two years of it

[Heisenberg]

We are concerned with one storyline, that has two possible outcomes. Sombody is going to be right and sombody will be wrong, and that is the crux of the matter. I wish it would hurry up though, as I couldn't handle another two years of it

You might be... but unfortunately for you and Donald Trump, there are a lot of "storylines" that are concerning.

Keep doing your thing though

[Wales-Bales]

You might be... but unfortunately for you and Donald Trump, there are a lot of "storylines" that are concerning.

Keep doing your thing though

It's a circular problem, and no matter where you jump in you always come back to the same beginning.

[the other bob wilson]

We are concerned with one storyline, that has two possible outcomes. Sombody is going to be right and sombody will be wrong, and that is the crux of the matter. I wish it would hurry up though, as I couldn't handle another two years of it

Is that the Royal we you used there?

[Wales-Bales]

Is that the Royal we you used there?

The factual we, a.k.a reality. Either Trump was setup or he is guilty. The path followed to get to where we are now does not support any other conclusion. Too many major decisions have already been made to make any other outcome impossible.