The Donald Trump thread

[the other bob wilson]

So, someone who has spent the last three or four years on here telling us that the real enemy is a global "elite", becomes a serial defender of Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson (Eton, Balliol College, Oxford), Jacob William Rees-Mogg (Westminster School, Eton, Trinity College, Oxford), Nigel Paul Farage (Dulwich College - a fee paying independent school) and an American (educated at a fee paying school, then a boarding school, Fordham University

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fordham_University

and the Wharton School

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wharto...f_Pennsylvania )



whose billionaire status comes from inherited wealth and has the gall to tell anyone who dares to disagree with him that they lack original thought and are inferior to him when it comes to intelligence? We really do live in strange times .

[Wales-Bales]

So, someone who has spent the last three or four years on here telling us that the real enemy is a global "elite", becomes a serial defender of Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson (Eton, Balliol College, Oxford), Jacob William Rees-Mogg (Westminster School, Eton, Trinity College, Oxford), Nigel Paul Farage (Dulwich College - a fee paying independent school) and an American (educated at a fee paying school, then a boarding school, Fordham University

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fordham_University

and the Wharton School

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wharto...f_Pennsylvania )



whose billionaire status comes from inherited wealth and has the gall to tell anyone who dares to disagree with him that they lack original thought and are inferior to him when it comes to intelligence? We really do live in strange times .

Who are you replying to and what is it in connection with?

[the other bob wilson]

Who are you replying to and what is it in connection with?

It's just an observation and I would have thought it was obvious who I was talking about.

[Wales-Bales]

It's just an observation and I would have thought it was obvious who I was talking about.

Your brain has been addled by the Guardian

[the other bob wilson]

Yeah, fancy me not being able to recognise Messrs Johnson, Rees-Mogg, Farage and Trump for the men of the people they so obviously are.

[Wales-Bales]

Yeah, fancy me not being able to recognise Messrs Johnson, Rees-Mogg, Farage and Trump for the men of the people they so obviously are.

You should know by the way the press treat them that they are not part of the team. They only have shake things up a bit, everything else is down to the people to ensure they put the right candidates forward in future elections. Boris only has one job, and that is to return sovereignty to Westminster. Once he has achieved that he becomes redundent in my book.

[jon1959]

You should know by the way the press treat them that they are not part of the team. They only have shake things up a bit, everything else is down to the people to ensure they put the right candidates forward in future elections. Boris only has one job, and that is to return sovereignty to Westminster. Once he has achieved that he becomes redundent in my book.

Ah... the sovereignty myth!

This is part of the Little Englander narrative that has the UK giving all that money to the European superstate, run by a shadowy arm of the Globalist Illuminati (High priestess - Hillary Clinton), that insists on making or subverting all our laws and making us buy straight bananas?

In truth sovereignty is pooled through the EU - with increasing control over decisions made via the elected parliament or through inter governmental meetings. Most of the fact checking reports i have read over the years say that the UK has very very little imposed on it that it doesn't agree with, or indeed initiate. In some ways the UK has been imposing it's views on other European countries through the EEC/EU for 45 years - despite the German-French axis. Apart from the gravy-train bureaucrats insisting on straight bananas, there has been very little to get excited about (unless you are wtiting the leader columns for the Sun, Mail, Express etc).

The sovereignty myth also assumes that national governments (through law making and revenue raising) control what happens within their borders, or across their borders. Ever since the start of global capitalism (not your construct of Globalism) and the post-war total reliance on fuel, material and food imports to much of the world, that has been untrue. What is sovereignty worth if all it means is the ability of elected MPs or judges (much hated by the advocates of national sovereignty) to be blown away by a computer virus or an oil price hike? Governmental power over laws and money is important, but they are just a couple of levers amongst many - and the people holding the other ones don't live in Westminster!

[Wales-Bales]

Ah... the sovereignty myth!

This is part of the Little Englander narrative that has the UK giving all that money to the European superstate, run by a shadowy arm of the Globalist Illuminati (High priestess - Hillary Clinton), that insists on making or subverting all our laws and making us buy straight bananas?

In truth sovereignty is pooled through the EU - with increasing control over decisions made via the elected parliament or through inter governmental meetings. Most of the fact checking reports i have read over the years say that the UK has very very little imposed on it that it doesn't agree with, or indeed initiate. In some ways the UK has been imposing it's views on other European countries through the EEC/EU for 45 years - despite the German-French axis. Apart from the gravy-train bureaucrats insisting on straight bananas, there has been very little to get excited about (unless you are wtiting the leader columns for the Sun, Mail, Express etc).

The sovereignty myth also assumes that national governments (through law making and revenue raising) control what happens within their borders, or across their borders. Ever since the start of global capitalism (not your construct of Globalism) and the post-war total reliance on fuel, material and food imports to much of the world, that has been untrue. What is sovereignty worth if all it means is the ability of elected MPs or judges (much hated by the advocates of national sovereignty) to be blown away by a computer virus or an oil price hike? Governmental power over laws and money is important, but they are just a couple of levers amongst many - and the people holding the other ones don't live in Westminster!

I was thinking more about trade deals that best serve our own economic interests, and determing our own economic future. Why are you so determined to stay in the EU at any cost?

[jon1959]

I was thinking more about trade deals that best serve our own economic interests, and determing our own economic future. Why are you so determined to stay in the EU at any cost?

I don't think I am determined to stay in the EU at any cost. But I am happy to stay (and hope to see reforms) on the basis of the current and anticipated future costs. I expect us to leave, though (but maybe not by the next deadline).

In the 1970s (if I had been old enough to vote) I would have probably voted against joining the EEC. A lot of people on the political left supported Brexit on the strength of their opposition four decades or more ago. They voted against the Bosses Club. But I agree with most on the left (and the TUC) that the EU has evolved to become a major protector of environmental and employment rights, and to potentially be a progressive bloc in a world where we have to work together to achieve anything good. It still has 1950-70s 'free market' anti-statism baked into its' DNA, but compared to the USA or Russia (and probably Brazil and India) it is a milder version.

The argument that constantly amazes me though is the one that talks about 'our' interests as if a shared culture of watching the Morecambe & Wise Christmas Special means that I have the same interests and values as Boris Johnson or Jacob Rees-Mogg! I have no common interest with them (and nor do many of the people who slavishly support them and their party). Even less Nigel Farage and his supposed non-racist UKIP creation. I feel more in common with public sector workers in Belgium or people in former steel cities in central Europe, or even with Spanish farmers, than I do with wealthy old-Etonians and proud former members of the Bullington Club! If my future is going to be directed by a Tory (or Christian Democrat) I would prefer, on balance, that it was Angela Merkel calling the shots rather than Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson!

That and an end to wars in Europe - which always seemed to me to be a genuine and powerful reason for European unity.

Welsh, British and European - sounds good to me.

[CardiffIrish2]

I don't think I am determined to stay in the EU at any cost. But I am happy to stay (and hope to see reforms) on the basis of the current and anticipated future costs. I expect us to leave, though (but maybe not by the next deadline).

In the 1970s (if I had been old enough to vote) I would have probably voted against joining the EEC. A lot of people on the political left supported Brexit on the strength of their opposition four decades or more ago. They voted against the Bosses Club. But I agree with most on the left (and the TUC) that the EU has evolved to become a major protector of environmental and employment rights, and to potentially be a progressive bloc in a world where we have to work together to achieve anything good. It still has 1950-70s 'free market' anti-statism baked into its' DNA, but compared to the USA or Russia (and probably Brazil and India) it is a milder version.

The argument that constantly amazes me though is the one that talks about 'our' interests as if a shared culture of watching the Morecambe & Wise Christmas Special means that I have the same interests and values as Boris Johnson or Jacob Rees-Mogg! I have no common interest with them (and nor do many of the people who slavishly support them and their party). Even less Nigel Farage and his supposed non-racist UKIP creation. I feel more in common with public sector workers in Belgium or people in former steel cities in central Europe, or even with Spanish farmers, than I do with wealthy old-Etonians and proud former members of the Bullington Club! If my future is going to be directed by a Tory (or Christian Democrat) I would prefer, on balance, that it was Angela Merkel calling the shots rather than Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson!

That and an end to wars in Europe - which always seemed to me to be a genuine and powerful reason for European unity.

Welsh, British and European - sounds good to me.

Great post 👏👏

[jon1959]

Great to see Trump avoiding the Twitter and carrying out his pen pal bromance with his new best mate the old fashioned way!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...back-and-forth

[trampie09]

Oi Trump, America belongs to the red Indians, if any outsiders have a claim then it belongs to the Welsh, Madoc and the boyos.

[life on mars]

Is he a man of peace and new trade deals ?? as he is in North Korea and agreeing trade war with China .

Is there a method in his maddness?

BTW not a fan

[Organ Morgan.]

Trumpet met Rocket Man earlier today.

[Organ Morgan.]

[lardy]

Why is Ivanka here? It's verrrry awkward.

Ivanka Trump appears to be trying to get involved in a talk among Macron, May, Trudeau and Lagarde (IMF head).
The video is released by French Presidential palace. pic.twitter.com/TJ0LULCzyQ

— Parham Ghobadi (@ParhamGhobadi) June 29, 2019

[jon1959]

Why is Ivanka here? It's verrrry awkward.

Ivanka Trump appears to be trying to get involved in a talk among Macron, May, Trudeau and Lagarde (IMF head).
The video is released by French Presidential palace. pic.twitter.com/TJ0LULCzyQ

— Parham Ghobadi (@ParhamGhobadi) June 29, 2019

Ouch!

When she gets four death stares and no responses - not once, but twice - and still carries on. Cringeworthy.

[lardy]

Ouch!

When she gets four death stares and no responses - not once, but twice - and still carries on. Cringeworthy.

And her smile at the end, as if she's proud of herself.

Any ideas why she was there? What's her qualification, other than being Trump's favourite daughter?

[jon1959]

And her smile at the end, as if she's proud of herself.

Any ideas why she was there? What's her qualification, other than being Trump's favourite daughter?

Well, according to Wiki:

Ivana Marie "Ivanka" Trump, also known as Yael Kushner is an American businesswoman, fashion designer, author, reality television personality, and politician who is currently Advisor to the President of the United States.

She is on the administration payroll, with a very vague role, but took it on herself to act as the Secretary Of State in the week after Rex Tillotson was fired. I suppose she thinks that she is an extension of her father in these summits, and also that as a Trump and a Kushner she has something to say that other people will be desperate to hear - not as an embarrassing and pushy gatecrasher with no self-awareness.

[Wales-Bales]

Why is Ivanka here? It's verrrry awkward.

Ivanka Trump appears to be trying to get involved in a talk among Macron, May, Trudeau and Lagarde (IMF head).
The video is released by French Presidential palace. pic.twitter.com/TJ0LULCzyQ

— Parham Ghobadi (@ParhamGhobadi) June 29, 2019

I see the first woman president of the United States talking to a bunch of political has-beens. May already gone, with Trudeau and Macron set to follow

[life on mars]

Why is Ivanka here? It's verrrry awkward.

Ivanka Trump appears to be trying to get involved in a talk among Macron, May, Trudeau and Lagarde (IMF head).
The video is released by French Presidential palace. pic.twitter.com/TJ0LULCzyQ

— Parham Ghobadi (@ParhamGhobadi) June 29, 2019

Ivanka will be the presidentess of the USA very soon , it was discussed at the recent secret summit on Epstein island funded by Mosard and Betfair

[jon1959]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-ocasio-cortez

Among widespread reaction on social media, most of it critical of the first daughter, the New York Democratic congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said such behaviour “hurts our diplomatic standing”.

Trump has been criticised before for appearing to stand in for her father at international summits, for example during a discussion on health and migration in Africa at the 2017 G20 in Hamburg.

....

In her tweet about the video, Ocasio-Cortez said: “It may be shocking to some, but being someone’s daughter actually isn’t a career qualification. It hurts our diplomatic standing when the president phones it in [and] the world moves on.

“The US needs our president working the G20. Bringing a qualified diplomat couldn’t hurt either.”

After the G20 in Japan, during which Ivanka and her husband Jared Kushner attended talks with China about trade, the Trumps proceeded to South Korea.

[life on mars]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-ocasio-cortez

Among widespread reaction on social media, most of it critical of the first daughter, the New York Democratic congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said such behaviour “hurts our diplomatic standing”.

Trump has been criticised before for appearing to stand in for her father at international summits, for example during a discussion on health and migration in Africa at the 2017 G20 in Hamburg.

....

In her tweet about the video, Ocasio-Cortez said: “It may be shocking to some, but being someone’s daughter actually isn’t a career qualification. It hurts our diplomatic standing when the president phones it in [and] the world moves on.

“The US needs our president working the G20. Bringing a qualified diplomat couldn’t hurt either.”

After the G20 in Japan, during which Ivanka and her husband Jared Kushner attended talks with China about trade, the Trumps proceeded to South Korea.

I don't see what the problem is , isn't ut a good sign when someone delegates ones responsibilities ?


He can't do right from wrong , chaps in North Korea saving the world from nuclear destruction.

If he comes away this year with North Korea giving up on its bombs ,new Chinese trade deal , he will be thanked for ducking the chatty events.

[Wales-Bales]

I don't see what the problem is , isn't ut a good sign when someone delegates ones responsibilities ?


He can't do right from wrong , chaps in North Korea saving the world from nuclear destruction.

If he comes away this year with North Korea giving up on its bombs ,new Chinese trade deal , he will be thanked for ducking the chatty events.

I'm warming to President Trump, he seems to be a man who is above politics. He's tough as nails, which is what you'd want your country's chief negotiator to be, and he's also pretty handy at economics with the US economy booming. I wonder if the idea of electing non-politicians will catch on?

[jon1959]

I'm warming to President Trump, he seems to be a man who is above politics. He's tough as nails, which is what you'd want your country's chief negotiator to be, and he's also pretty handy at economics with the US economy booming. I wonder if the idea of electing non-politicians will catch on?