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LOM must think Christmas has come early!
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He's back?
LOM must think Christmas has come early!
Eh? You said "Or would you rather there was no freedom of speech"... What exactly are you referring to?Originally Posted by ihatealiens2
There's a good saying that goes "freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences".
If a website that consistently tells incendiary lies to the public, which has then led to acts of hate speech and violence, then I'd be more than happy for them to find a new platform to spout their bile and corruption.
Let's also recognise that Trump may potentially be banned from Twitter in January too. It's not a freedom of speech issue there either.
Twitter is a Ltd company and can ban anyone they like from accessing their platform for breaking their terms and conditions. They're not banning his freedom of speech as he's entitled to go somewhere else and type in all caps about how all Mexicans are rapists etc.
He might struggle to find a new home that isn't the new right-wing social media offering though.
[QUOTE=Heisenberg;5136325]There's a good saying that goes "freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences".
If a website that consistently tells incendiary lies to the public, which has then led to acts of hate speech and violence, then I'd be more than happy for them to find a new platform to spout their bile and corruption.
Let's also recognise that Trump may potentially be banned from Twitter in January too. It's not a freedom of speech issue there either.
Twitter is a Ltd company and can ban anyone they like from accessing their platform for breaking their terms and conditions. They're not banning his freedom of speech as he's entitled to go somewhere else and type in all caps about how all Mexicans are rapists etc.
He might struggle to find a new home that isn't the new right-wing social media offering though.
What if twitter gets de-platformed?
A load of prime ministers or Presidents have now either removed their prime ministerial or presidential status on Twitter and facebook etc or had them removed. Hmmm what could be going on. They are not all lefties either.
Enough of that, it's good to reminisce with another Aber lad from the same era. I was really struggling to remember the name of the landlord of the Panteg who used to ban customers at a drop of a hat. You don't recall him do you?
Cant remember wasn't he Polish or something like that maybe Ukrainian. God you are really showing hyour age now lol
Actually this is weird. Rudy Guiliani doesn't have 'legal expert' or 'attorney' or anything like that in his Twitter bio.
Have the Deep State got to him? This is of massive importance and consequence!
Don't worry, I will keep everyone updated. I'm currently doing a 5 minute refresh on it, so if anyone wants to co-ordinate and refresh on my minute 3, then we should probably cover it.
We all know how important this is! We will get through it if we stick together.
Haven't been back to Abertridwr in a while now. last time I was there The Panteg was closed down, shame really was a good pub.
He is, the only hold up is that trump hasn't conceded. Otherwise things would be progressing as they do in 95% of US elections.
Nobody needs to concede, they could all drag it out like him. But they don't because they recognise the damage it causes to the process.
To be honest I don't blame him as we all know his skin is paper thin. It's McConnell and the other republicans who are more at fault now for letting him play his games.
Must say that's a very gluey like attachment.
The Democratic Republic of America continues to show it's true colours.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/1...hake-up-436924
The Trump Pennsylvania lawsuit seems to be roaring down the Guiliani tracks. The original legal team withdrew in the middle of last week and a new team filed a modified and shortened plea taking out the most substantial element of it.
The new team lasted only a couple of days and on the eve of today's hearing have been replaced by a new lawyer. A conservative talk show host who has gone on record being dismissive of this and other lawsuits.
Presumably Guiliani will turn up at the Philadelphia Court House Bar and Grill rather than where the case is being heard.
Its almost as if they are trying to lose the case!
I doubt many of them believe their own propaganda when it comes to these court cases. They know they lost. They know the cases are worthless. They don't expect to win any state they lost in the election (and they certainly don't intend to undermine their relative successes in Congress).
What they do want is to sow confusion, to keep the Trump base pumped up (especially for the Georgia Senate run offs), establish a false narrative for 2022 and 2024 (and their future re-write of history) and mainly to keep tapping their gullible supporters for money to close the hole in their campaign funds and to enrich anyone of the gang of crooks who can claim to be pushing the legal attempt to steal the election from the Democrats and the voters.
That's very well summed up.
The Republicans are playing a long game, but it's a long game that could bite them badly. As the smaller party, they've currently got a lot of power in the current system. They might not be wise to mess the system up.
Rudy Giuliani asked for $20,000 a day to assist the Trump campaign’s legal efforts in battleground states, according to the New York Times.
The Times reports:
The request stirred opposition from some of Mr. Trump’s aides and advisers, who appear to have ruled out paying that much, and it is unclear how much Mr. Giuliani will ultimately be compensated.
Since Mr. Giuliani took over management of the legal effort, Mr. Trump has suffered a series of defeats in court and lawyers handling some of the remaining cases have dropped out.
A $20,000-a-day rate would have made Mr. Giuliani, the former New York City mayor who has been Mr. Trump’s personal lawyer for several years, among the most highly compensated attorneys anywhere.
Giuliani denied the Times’ story, saying whoever claimed he made the request “is a liar, a complete liar.” (Multiple people confirmed the story to the Times.)
The former New York mayor is appearing in federal court in Pennsylvania this afternoon, as the Trump campaign seeks to delay the certification of Joe Biden’s victory in the state.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...9-live-updates
Absolutely spot on, all this farce is just part of a plan to keep Trumpmania alive and kicking until the next US election, and indeed the mid terms. Another cause for concern, in my opinion, is that a Trump dynasty might well be established for the foreseeable future. The US and the western world are facing a dangerous peril.
I see things slightly differently. The Presidential vote imbalance between Democrats and Republicans almost doubled between 2016 and 2020. US demographics and population mobility have flipped states like Georgia and Arizona and threaten Texas and North Carolina.
The Republicans are in a cleft stick. They can't afford to lose the enthusiasm of the mainly White male base that rallies around Trump but if they don't reach out to women, suburbs and the wider population (like they successfully did in Florida by scaring Cubans and Latinos that Biden was a front for a bunch of progressive commies) then they will fail again in four years time.
The lawsuits are all about Trump and his dwindling gang of cronies. Such is his sway over the core base he has successfully cowed the wider Republican Party into cowardice as they sit out his death throws. Understand the point about the short-term management of the Georgia run-off but don't see what is happening as some kind of grand strategy by the Republican Party.
Mails crossed with Jon's post covering similar ground!
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...blicans-racism
Gary Younge - always worth reading.
As the South Carolina senator Lindsey Graham said at the Republican convention in 2012: “The demographics race we’re losing badly. We’re not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term.”
That Rudi chap has put a statement out saying they will be announcing big news tomorrow ( not sure of time zones ) regarding evidence of fraud .Mind you he lost a court ruling today regarding observers should be able to watch the counts close up in pensylvania
so far i,ve seen on american news outlets :
The US military had taken over a server that was based in Germany with so called data showing Trump won winning 401 electoral votes on the weekend
153,000 discrepancies in clarke county
132,000 fraudalent votes found in Fulton County
9,000 out of state ballots in Nevada
2,600 votes not counted in Floyd county Georgia
2 charged with voter fraud - for submitting applications to the homeless
think it's going to rumble for a while . i wonder how much this is going to cost trump !
This is a very important question that you need to consider when posting things like this...
Which news outlet did you get all of this news from?
Another important question...
If any of it was true, why isn't it being presented in court as evidence immediately?
C'mon, Moz... don't be a Gluey.
I hope my fact checking spree helped clear that up for ya!
'Tomorrow'? The usual timeline for promising the moon on a stick is two weeks away.
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