The Donald Trump thread

[Heisenberg]

I'm going to quickly dip my toe into this one to make one point...

Wales Bales, you always pick and choose articles/stories that back up your claim but ignore anything to the contrary and will accuse the source of bias or being outright phoney.

You are impossible to debate with and, like the other regular conspiracy theorists on here (let's not kid ourselves, that's exactly what you are), when questioned about your stance you revert to talking in riddles or using deflection tactics (like responding with another question) instead of giving an actual answer.

I'm surprised that posters still respond to you.

[Wales-Bales]

I'm going to quickly dip my toe into this one to make one point...

Wales Bales, you always pick and choose articles/stories that back up your claim but ignore anything to the contrary and will accuse the source of bias or being outright phoney.

You are impossible to debate with and, like the other regular conspiracy theorists on here (let's not kid ourselves, that's exactly what you are), when questioned about your stance you revert to talking in riddles or using deflection tactics (like responding with another question) instead of giving an actual answer.

I'm surprised that posters still respond to you.

That is because the articles/stories I post are based off original documents I have mostly seen, as opposed to the phoney stories which quote anonymous sources. It's quite easy to read the actual documents, and then find a news organisation that reports them accurately. I'd love to include a broader selection of outlets, but unfortunately many of the news organisations are part of the alternative narrative game. What is most remarkable is that many people will actually believe the stuff that distorts the truth. A case in point is the Trump Russia Collusion, which is based on made-up intelligence that has been legitimised by the system. I note with interest that your favourite news organisations still haven't acknowledged this fact.

[Wales-Bales]

AFTER March 17th, 2017, journalist Ali Watkins held a leaked copy of the Carter Page FISA application while she worked at both Buzzfeed and the New York Times. She knew the substance, the specific details, of the actual FISA application; and as a consequence so too did her employer(s). However, despite this actual knowledge Ms. Watkins and her colleagues continued to push a narrative, and write articles, that were factually false against the FISA application evidence she was holding.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com...r-ali-watkins/


*All source documents are provided with this analysis, so you can read them for yourself

[Wales-Bales]

^^^^^^ Over to you Heisenberg, if you are going to come on here making fanciful claims, it's time to roll up your sleeves and prove them. I've helped you out by giving you access to all the source documents the media work from, (excluding documents that are leaked to colluding journalists). Your task is a simple one, you merely have to show where the above analysis in incorrect, hence proving your conspiracy theory statement.

[lardy]

Orwell: the party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.

Trump: what you're seeing and reading is not what is happening.


Let's remember that the FBI and all intelligence services on both sides of the Atlantic, and the media on both sides of the Atlantic, and your eyes and ears are all lying to you. Trump is telling the truth.

[Wales-Bales]

Orwell: the party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.

Trump: what you're seeing and reading is not what is happening.


Let's remember that the FBI and all intelligence services on both sides of the Atlantic, and the media on both sides of the Atlantic, and your eyes and ears are all lying to you. Trump is telling the truth.

Don't worry, you'll get there eventually

[the other bob wilson]

Don't worry, you'll get there eventually

But is "there" a place we should really be aiming to get to?

[lardy]

But is "there" a place we should really be aiming to get to?

He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother.

[Wales-Bales]

He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother.

I looks like you've got yourself a copy of 1984, that's a good start! Now see if you can identify any police state activities which have occured around the world during the past 5-10 years, especially in places where you least expected to find it. You know, things like spying on political opposition, etc..

[Wales-Bales]

But is "there" a place we should really be aiming to get to?

The truth?

[Wales-Bales]

Clapper says Obama is responsible

[the other bob wilson]

So, as this thread moves towards it's one hundredth page, let's see what's happening in Trumpworld today

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...pe-client.html

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44949500

http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...-air-force-one

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/...4716611545?v=b

Now, if some of those stories came out regarding the President of the USA at any time during the first, say fifty five years of my life, that man would be in serious trouble with talk of whether he could survive these scandals, but that was then and this is now - this is just another day in Trumpworld, just like so many of the others.

As the man himself says, he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and still a very significant minority of American voters would defend him, while declaring he still had their vote. Meanwhile some., apparently influential loon on the Internet is saying this;-

https://lawandcrime.com/crazy/alex-j...-a-wall-video/

and he's being defended because he was only talking metaphorically, while Facebook says it doesn't break any of their rules.

The world's gone mad!

[Wales-Bales]

Meanwhile some., apparently influential loon on the Internet is saying this;-

https://lawandcrime.com/crazy/alex-j...-a-wall-video/

and he's being defended because he was only talking metaphorically, while Facebook says it doesn't break any of their rules.

The world's gone mad!

Fair play that man is a loon! Meanwhile there have been 4 more arrests in the NXIVM case, they seem to be working their way upwards. The actress who was arrested a few months ago must be cooperating.

https://bigleaguepolitics.com/hillar...sex-cult-case/

[cyril evans awaydays]

Fair play that man is a loon! Meanwhile there have been 4 more arrests in the NXIVM case, they seem to be working their way upwards. The actress who was arrested a few months ago must be cooperating.

https://bigleaguepolitics.com/hillar...sex-cult-case/

This was the case that you said Alison Mack was involved in child sex trafficking. Also that there were links to Pizzagate. That CNN dismissed all this when Roseanne Barr tweeted about it. That one of CNN presenter's wife named their favourite restaurant as one owned by the owner of the pizza restaurant at the heart of the ridiculous conspiracy theory and that all this will come out when she plea bargains.

Presumably another example of you looking at the factual evidence rather than sensationalist headlines from the usual suspects but you can add to the long list of tosh you promote that does not age well.

[Wales-Bales]

Duplicate post.

[the other bob wilson]

Interesting article which makes a Trump re-election in two years time look very possible while also providing an insight into the sort of world we live in.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/24/o...e=sectionfront

[lardy]

Interesting article which makes a Trump re-election in two years time look very possible while also providing an insight into the sort of world we live in.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/24/o...e=sectionfront

If things continue as they are, I'd say it's more likely that the election winner will be Trump than not.

[Wales-Bales]

If things continue as they are, I'd say it's more likely that the election winner will be Trump than not.

Will there be any Dems left in 2020? As far as I can see quite a few of them are in a spot of bother. Just wait until the masses find out what they've been up too. The media can't hide it forever, even the Trump Russia Collusion sting failed miserably. Is there anything left of their "insurance policy"?

[Wales-Bales]

Interesting article which makes a Trump re-election in two years time look very possible while also providing an insight into the sort of world we live in.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/24/o...e=sectionfront

Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) announced Thursday he was running for Speaker of the House.

“Should the American people entrust us with the majority again in the 116th Congress, I plan to run for Speaker of the House to bring real change to the House of Representatives,” he said in a statement. He continued, “President Trump has taken bold action on behalf of the American people. Congress has not held up its end of the deal, but we can change that. It’s time to do what we said.”

https://saraacarter.com/breaking-jim...n-for-speaker/

It should be noted that the the Democrats unsuccessfully tried to smear Jordan with allegations that he covered up sex abuse when they found out their worst nightmare was eyeing the speakership.

[Wales-Bales]

This was the case that you said Alison Mack was involved in child sex trafficking. Also that there were links to Pizzagate. That CNN dismissed all this when Roseanne Barr tweeted about it. That one of CNN presenter's wife named their favourite restaurant as one owned by the owner of the pizza restaurant at the heart of the ridiculous conspiracy theory and that all this will come out when she plea bargains.

Doesn't change the fact that the Podesta emails and the Comet Instagram photos are now public record, or that Bill and Hillary visited Epstein's famous island on many occasions. I'm keeping an open mind, but I notice you've been declaring everybody innocent since day one

[cyril evans awaydays]

Doesn't change the fact that the Podesta emails and the Comet Instagram photos are now public record, or that Bill and Hillary visited Epstein's famous island on many occasions. I'm keeping an open mind, but I notice you've been declaring everybody innocent since day one

If you mean posting things as fact that turn out to tosh then don't let me get in the way of you keeping an open mind. With that in mind if you have anything to support your assertion that you have noticed me declaring everyone innocent since day one please feel free to post your evidence!

[Wales-Bales]

If you mean posting things as fact that turn out to tosh then don't let me get in the way of you keeping an open mind. With that in mind if you have anything to support your assertion that you have noticed me declaring everyone innocent since day one please feel free to post your evidence!

When it comes to the abuse of children, many people wouldn't leave a stone unturned until they were satisfied they had found the definitive truth. Labelling everything a conspiracy theory would seem to be the opposite approach, since nobody can possibly be found guilty of any wrongdoing.

[cyril evans awaydays]

When it comes to the abuse of children, many people wouldn't leave a stone unturned until they were satisfied they had found the definitive truth. Labelling everything a conspiracy theory would seem to be the opposite approach, since nobody can possibly be found guilty of any wrongdoing.

You know your touching concern for the welfare of children almost had me welling up. Then I remembered your reaction when Roy Moore was accused of inappropriate behaviour with a minor and the cynicism you displayed around the separation of children from their parents at the US/Mexican border and realised that it is just another strand of the rhetorical bias you serve up under the banner of objectivity on a daily basis.

[lardy]

You know your touching concern for the welfare of children almost had me welling up. Then I remembered your reaction when Roy Moore was accused of inappropriate behaviour with a minor and the cynicism you displayed around the separation of children from their parents at the US/Mexican border and realised that it is just another strand of the rhetorical bias you serve up under the banner of objectivity on a daily basis.

You can add propagating the Sandy Hook conspiracy to that list.

[Wales-Bales]

You know your touching concern for the welfare of children almost had me welling up. Then I remembered your reaction when Roy Moore was accused of inappropriate behaviour with a minor and the cynicism you displayed around the separation of children from their parents at the US/Mexican border and realised that it is just another strand of the rhetorical bias you serve up under the banner of objectivity on a daily basis.

Roy Moore, I only discussed the evidence put forward by the lawyer, and the witnessess who disputed this evidence, not whether he was innocent or guilty. This was all taken from the press, and didn't involve any of my own opinions.

The border children, I pointed out the laws were already in place from the Bush and Obama era. Also the problems associated with unaccompanied children, and even some parents who turned out not to be the parents. Again this all came from news reports and I expressed no opinion.

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