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    Arm our officers

    I'm not a big fan of guns but I think it's time we armed all police officers. Too close to home today :(

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spearsy View Post
    I'm not a big fan of guns but I think it's time we armed all police officers. Too close to home today :(

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spearsy View Post
    I'm not a big fan of guns but I think it's time we armed all police officers. Too close to home today :(
    Rubbish

    As terrrible as things were today we reacted fantastically to it and my faith in our security has only been strengthened by today

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    Re: Arm our officers

    Its the obvious and understandable reaction but Im not convinced that routine arming is the way forward. Anyway, from the pics Ive seen a lot of the cops were carrying guns.

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    Re: Arm our officers

    Holy shit is this a bad idea.

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    that area of london would have had Armed Officers walking around on patrol and they have a massive amount of trained officers ready to use arms, the ARU in central london is a fair size

    Now imagine something similar happening in a sleepy small town in Gloucester or Somerset, the ARU might take 30 mins to arrive on the scene and then it will likely only be 6 of them, think of the damage someone could do in 30 mins a scary thought

    i know the government has said they are training up more AR officers, but not enough and not fast enough

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    The main problem with routinely arming the police is that the bad guys will also arm themselves.
    UK becomes like the USA in no time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue matt View Post
    that area of london would have had Armed Officers walking around on patrol and they have a massive amount of trained officers ready to use arms, the ARU in central london is a fair size

    Now imagine something similar happening in a sleepy small town in Gloucester or Somerset, the ARU might take 30 mins to arrive on the scene and then it will likely only be 6 of them, think of the damage someone could do in 30 mins a scary thought

    i know the government has said they are training up more AR officers, but not enough and not fast enough
    The guy had a car and a knife

    Casualties would have been similar in a sleepy town too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhiw-Blue View Post
    The guy had a car and a knife

    Casualties would have been similar in a sleepy town too
    Careful, you'll be called a libtard in a minute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhiw-Blue View Post
    The guy had a car and a knife

    Casualties would have been similar in a sleepy town too
    but he would have continued to run around stabbing people, the armed officer shot him to stop him in london

    so dont you think in that 30 mins he might have done more damage ? ? ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue matt View Post
    but he would have continued to run around stabbing people, the armed officer shot him to stop him in london

    so dont you think in that 30 mins he might have done more damage ? ? ?
    A man with a knife would soon be over powered if people see a threat

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhiw-Blue View Post
    A man with a knife would soon be over powered if people see a threat
    In some circles, yes.
    But many ordinary Joes would try to run off, thinking " let someone else tackle him!"

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    Re: Arm our officers

    I don't know what the solution to an arsehole with a knife is, but I know giving every superiority-complex meathead bobby a hand-cannon is going to cause more problems than it solves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhiw-Blue View Post
    A man with a knife would soon be over powered if people see a threat
    even if you are right, the chances are the guy would have stabbed a fair few more people by then

    yet if a armed PO was only a few mins away, people wouldnt have to " be a hero " and have a go, they would know, get out the way and in a few mins the police would arrive and put the guy down

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi View Post
    I don't know what the solution to an arsehole with a knife is, but I know giving every superiority-complex meathead bobby a hand-cannon is going to cause more problems than it solves.
    because is does in the US i guess ? ? ?

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    Re: Arm our officers

    Quote Originally Posted by blue matt View Post
    because is does in the US i guess ? ? ?
    Are you kidding?

    Read my post again and ask yourself if putting thousands of guns into the hands of lowly paid civil servants who often choose a career in policing in order to assert their authority over others is the correct solution to one guy with a knife?

    No looking at the US required for that conundrum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi View Post
    Are you kidding?

    Read my post again and ask yourself if putting thousands of guns into the hands of lowly paid civil servants who often choose a career in policing in order to assert their authority over others is the correct solution to one guy with a knife?

    No looking at the US required for that conundrum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi View Post
    I don't know what the solution to an arsehole with a knife is, but I know giving every superiority-complex meathead bobby a hand-cannon is going to cause more problems than it solves.
    such anger from you, and talking such bollocks too
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    Quote Originally Posted by Packerman View Post
    such anger from you, and talking such bollocks too
    Yes, yes you are.

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    Re: Arm our officers

    Quote Originally Posted by Packerman View Post
    such anger from you, and talking such bollocks too
    I don't know what part you think is "bollocks" but I'm not angry at all, just pointing out how bad an idea the OP suggested is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi View Post
    I don't know what part you think is "bollocks" but I'm not angry at all, just pointing out how bad an idea the OP suggested is.
    well the fact that you think police are superiority complex meatheads strikes me as bollocks, i don't agree with routine arming but your phraseology is puerile
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    Re: Arm our officers

    I think the Police officer who was killed was actually armed.

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    Re: Arm our officers

    Quote Originally Posted by Packerman View Post
    well the fact that you think police are superiority complex meatheads strikes me as bollocks, i don't agree with routine arming but your phraseology is purile
    I didn't say they all were, but some definitely are.

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    Re: Arm our officers

    Quote Originally Posted by SOXY BOY View Post
    I think the Police officer who was killed was actually armed.
    i was thinking the same, if he was inside the parliamentary secure area then surely he was armed??
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    Quote Originally Posted by blue matt View Post
    even if you are right, the chances are the guy would have stabbed a fair few more people by then

    yet if a armed PO was only a few mins away, people wouldnt have to " be a hero " and have a go, they would know, get out the way and in a few mins the police would arrive and put the guy down
    If he went from one thatched cottage to the next stabbing a little old lady each time he'd kill hundreds. Back in the real world however the second he confronted more than a couple of people he'd be tackled.
    This is a knee jerk reaction to a problem that's not currently there and I wouldn't want to see the majority of our egotist bobbies with a gun either

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue matt View Post
    that area of london would have had Armed Officers walking around on patrol and they have a massive amount of trained officers ready to use arms, the ARU in central london is a fair size

    Now imagine something similar happening in a sleepy small town in Gloucester or Somerset, the ARU might take 30 mins to arrive on the scene and then it will likely only be 6 of them, think of the damage someone could do in 30 mins a scary thought

    i know the government has said they are training up more AR officers, but not enough and not fast enough
    I would suppose the numbers of officers in London is vastly different even to the number in a smaller city and therefore before you have "massive amount of trained officers ready to use arms" you firstly would need to find a large number of new recruits and pay for these contracts.

    If we think about what this incident was (a small and limited number of attackers in a concentrated area) then we may compare it to the Tunisia beach attacks. The greater presences of armed forces in this previous incident did not stop the attacker any more quickly that today.

    Whatever the decision I would agree with the poster who suggested that a few hours after an attack is probably not the time for major policy change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi View Post
    Are you kidding?

    Read my post again and ask yourself if putting thousands of guns into the hands of lowly paid civil servants who often choose a career in policing in order to assert their authority over others is the correct solution to one guy with a knife?

    No looking at the US required for that conundrum.
    no

    because its easy to use the US and its armed officers are a example to win the " we do not want to arm our police " argument

    I know a 5 armed police officers, 2 current, 2 trained and 1 just retired ( about a month ago )

    I would trust the judgement of them all and while you will argue " but thats just 5 " i can honestly say that if they had to make a call i would trust them with my life

    the bloke next door to me used a " tazer " in January, he has had 8 meetings about it so far, it was all caught on CCTV and on his body cam aswell, these guys are trained and trained well

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    Sorry but all I see by arming the police is creating opportunities for would be terrorists

    All a terrorist needs to do is overpower one bobby then he can go popping caps in farrrrrrrr more people than a crazy with a knife could stab

    Bad idea all round

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    Quote Originally Posted by surge View Post
    I would suppose the numbers of officers in London is vastly different even to the number in a smaller city and therefore before you have "massive amount of trained officers ready to use arms" you firstly would need to find a large number of new recruits and pay for these contracts.

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    from what i understand, the government are training more AR officers, we of course need more Police, but the police we have could be trained and armed

    Quote Originally Posted by surge View Post

    If we think about what this incident was (a small and limited number of attackers in a concentrated area) then we may compare it to the Tunisia beach attacks. The greater presences of armed forces in this previous incident did not stop the attacker any more quickly that today.

    a fairly poor example, as the armed security in Tunisia is hardly the same as our trained AR Officers

    of course you will never stop these attacks, i have never said we can, but giving the police a fighting chance can only help imho

    Quote Originally Posted by surge View Post

    Whatever the decision I would agree with the poster who suggested that a few hours after an attack is probably not the time for major policy change.
    but it is something i think we need to look into

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobh View Post
    The main problem with routinely arming the police is that the bad guys will also arm themselves.
    UK becomes like the USA in no time.
    Agreed - and I can tell you from first hand - you do not want to live in an environment where guns become everyday items.

    UK is special because we don't see guns as routine equipment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spearsy View Post
    I'm not a big fan of guns but I think it's time we armed all police officers. Too close to home today :(
    Nowhere near my home. I live in Wales

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    Re: Arm our officers

    Quote Originally Posted by Kiffa View Post
    Sorry but all I see by arming the police is creating opportunities for would be terrorists

    All a terrorist needs to do is overpower one bobby then he can go popping caps in farrrrrrrr more people than a crazy with a knife could stab

    Bad idea all round
    Someone tried to do that at Paris' Orly airport only last week.

    He got sent upstairs to apply for his 72 virgins rather swiftly...
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    Re: Arm our officers

    Quote Originally Posted by blue matt View Post
    no

    because its easy to use the US and its armed officers are a example to win the " we do not want to arm our police " argument

    I know a 5 armed police officers, 2 current, 2 trained and 1 just retired ( about a month ago )

    I would trust the judgement of them all and while you will argue " but thats just 5 " i can honestly say that if they had to make a call i would trust them with my life

    the bloke next door to me used a " tazer " in January, he has had 8 meetings about it so far, it was all caught on CCTV and on his body cam aswell, these guys are trained and trained well
    I'm not sure how any of that is a response to what I posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowbridge Blue View Post
    Agreed - and I can tell you from first hand - you do not want to live in an environment where guns become everyday items.

    UK is special because we don't see guns as routine equipment.
    but it isnt as easy in the UK to get a gun, we do not have them floating around in bars etc etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue matt View Post
    but it isnt as easy in the UK to get a gun, we do not have them floating around in bars etc etc
    Except in Newport of course

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    I'm with the colonel on this one ,I hope I never see the day when our police are armed.
    I also don't think that the majority of current officers would even want to be armed, but I think if they were then the next breed of police would be a far power hungry bunch than they are now.
    Also where do you draw the line? Would you want armed police at the football? Chelsea v Milwall, potential for trouble, potential for officers to be injured carrying out their duty, would you want them armed to keep any hoolies in line?

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    Agree with Colonel on this, they've got tasers which should be adequate to disable a knife-wielding maniac.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ainsley Harriott View Post
    Someone tried to do that at Paris' Orly airport only last week.

    He got sent upstairs to apply for his 72 virgins rather swiftly...
    As you would expect in an airport - one of the places police are armed in numbers

    Now have the same situation with your village bobby and there's not so much back up on hand

    Arming police will simply make terrorists change their tactics, it will not stop them attacking

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi View Post
    I'm not sure how any of that is a response to what I posted.
    point 1 - Are you kidding?

    i pointed out that i am not kidding, as the US argument is easy to use

    point 2 - Lowly paid civil servants who often choose a career in policing in order to assert their authority

    i pointed out i know 5 armed Officers and none are meathead bobby's with superiority-complex or a Lowly paid civil servants who chose a career in policing in order to assert their authority over others

    fairly simple

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    Re: Arm our officers

    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie View Post
    I'm with the colonel on this one ,I hope I never see the day when our police are armed.
    I also don't think that the majority of current officers would even want to be armed, but I think if they were then the next breed of police would be a far power hungry bunch than they are now.
    Also where do you draw the line? Would you want armed police at the football? Chelsea v Milwall, potential for trouble, potential for officers to be injured carrying out their duty, would you want them armed to keep any hoolies in line?
    I also wonder how the OP feels about giving guns to the Muslim members of our police force? What about the members of the force with a history of violence and anger issues?

    Are we also going to pretend that corruption doesn't exist in the police force and that none of these guns would end up in the wrong hands?

    It's just such a terrible idea and I hope it doesn't gain some sort of traction in the heat of the moment because I wouldn't be surprised if our government started to push for it.

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