Arm our officers

[Colonel Cærdiffi]

because is does in the US i guess ? ? ?

Are you kidding?

Read my post again and ask yourself if putting thousands of guns into the hands of lowly paid civil servants who often choose a career in policing in order to assert their authority over others is the correct solution to one guy with a knife?

No looking at the US required for that conundrum.

[Packerman]

Are you kidding?

Read my post again and ask yourself if putting thousands of guns into the hands of lowly paid civil servants who often choose a career in policing in order to assert their authority over others is the correct solution to one guy with a knife?

No looking at the US required for that conundrum.

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[blue matt]

Are you kidding?

Read my post again and ask yourself if putting thousands of guns into the hands of lowly paid civil servants who often choose a career in policing in order to assert their authority over others is the correct solution to one guy with a knife?

No looking at the US required for that conundrum.

no

because its easy to use the US and its armed officers are a example to win the " we do not want to arm our police " argument

I know a 5 armed police officers, 2 current, 2 trained and 1 just retired ( about a month ago )

I would trust the judgement of them all and while you will argue " but thats just 5 " i can honestly say that if they had to make a call i would trust them with my life

the bloke next door to me used a " tazer " in January, he has had 8 meetings about it so far, it was all caught on CCTV and on his body cam aswell, these guys are trained and trained well

[Colonel Cærdiffi]

no

because its easy to use the US and its armed officers are a example to win the " we do not want to arm our police " argument

I know a 5 armed police officers, 2 current, 2 trained and 1 just retired ( about a month ago )

I would trust the judgement of them all and while you will argue " but thats just 5 " i can honestly say that if they had to make a call i would trust them with my life

the bloke next door to me used a " tazer " in January, he has had 8 meetings about it so far, it was all caught on CCTV and on his body cam aswell, these guys are trained and trained well

I'm not sure how any of that is a response to what I posted.

[Packerman]

I don't know what the solution to an arsehole with a knife is, but I know giving every superiority-complex meathead bobby a hand-cannon is going to cause more problems than it solves.

such anger from you, and talking such bollocks too

[itkman]

such anger from you, and talking such bollocks too

Yes, yes you are.

[Colonel Cærdiffi]

such anger from you, and talking such bollocks too

I don't know what part you think is "bollocks" but I'm not angry at all, just pointing out how bad an idea the OP suggested is.

[Packerman]

I don't know what part you think is "bollocks" but I'm not angry at all, just pointing out how bad an idea the OP suggested is.

well the fact that you think police are superiority complex meatheads strikes me as bollocks, i don't agree with routine arming but your phraseology is puerile

[SOXY BOY]

I think the Police officer who was killed was actually armed.

[Colonel Cærdiffi]

well the fact that you think police are superiority complex meatheads strikes me as bollocks, i don't agree with routine arming but your phraseology is purile

I didn't say they all were, but some definitely are.

[William Treseder]

I don't know what the solution to an arsehole with a knife is, but I know giving every superiority-complex meathead bobby a hand-cannon is going to cause more problems than it solves.

I am in agreement with you as in I wouldn't want all our police to be armed, but your barbed comments toward them seem to be a bit ott. You've obviously had a bad/some bad experiences with plod, which is your business, but they do a thankless job.
Can you imagine what it's like to be a copper involved in social riots, or having to control hundreds of Neanderthals at football grounds up and down the country, or finding dead bodies, dead babies, smashed up teenagers in RTA's, etc.?
We all know that corruption and bullying takes place in all walks of life, but no amount of cash would persuade me to join the fuzz in this day and age. Just be thankful that there are youngsters out there who still want to join.

[blue matt]

I am in agreement with you as in I wouldn't want all our police to be armed, but your barbed comments toward them seem to be a bit ott. You've obviously had a bad/some bad experiences with plod, which is your business, but they do a thankless job.
Can you imagine what it's like to be a copper involved in social riots, or having to control hundreds of Neanderthals at football grounds up and down the country, or finding dead bodies, dead babies, smashed up teenagers in RTA's, etc.?
We all know that corruption and bullying takes place in all walks of life, but no amount of cash would persuade me to join the fuzz in this day and age. Just be thankful that there are youngsters out there who still want to join.

what state would we be in if people did not step up and do the job ? ? ??

[Colonel Cærdiffi]

I am in agreement with you as in I wouldn't want all our police to be armed, but your barbed comments toward them seem to be a bit ott. You've obviously had a bad/some bad experiences with plod, which is your business, but they do a thankless job.
Can you imagine what it's like to be a copper involved in social riots, or having to control hundreds of Neanderthals at football grounds up and down the country, or finding dead bodies, dead babies, smashed up teenagers in RTA's, etc.?
We all know that corruption and bullying takes place in all walks of life, but no amount of cash would persuade me to join the fuzz in this day and age. Just be thankful that there are youngsters out there who still want to join.

No, you're quite right. I thought about it afterwards and my comments about a certain type of police officer were a bit brash, especially in light of what happened yesterday so apologies to anyone I offended with that.

[Packerman]

No, you're quite right. I thought about it afterwards and my comments about a certain type of police officer were a bit brash, especially in light of what happened yesterday so apologies to anyone I offended with that.

[Rhiw-Blue]

even if you are right, the chances are the guy would have stabbed a fair few more people by then

yet if a armed PO was only a few mins away, people wouldnt have to " be a hero " and have a go, they would know, get out the way and in a few mins the police would arrive and put the guy down

If he went from one thatched cottage to the next stabbing a little old lady each time he'd kill hundreds. Back in the real world however the second he confronted more than a couple of people he'd be tackled.
This is a knee jerk reaction to a problem that's not currently there and I wouldn't want to see the majority of our egotist bobbies with a gun either

[PerryJason]

I'm not a big fan of guns but I think it's time we armed all police officers. Too close to home today :(

Nowhere near my home. I live in Wales

[Kiffa]

Someone tried to do that at Paris' Orly airport only last week.

He got sent upstairs to apply for his 72 virgins rather swiftly...

As you would expect in an airport - one of the places police are armed in numbers

Now have the same situation with your village bobby and there's not so much back up on hand

Arming police will simply make terrorists change their tactics, it will not stop them attacking

[Feedback]

As you would expect in an airport - one of the places police are armed in numbers

Now have the same situation with your village bobby and there's not so much back up on hand

Arming police will simply make terrorists change their tactics, it will not stop them attacking

do terrorists target villages?

[Kiffa]

But today they clearly were not enough.

The attacker killed one of the first line of friendly face cops I suspect. There to give some
British normality in a very public place , yellow high vis jacket , maybe not even a taser.
The next line of hard cops rightly took the killer out straight away.

A nutter with a knife intending to kill before the PC could even think about what was happening.

Taser tucked well out of sight of Joe Public if he even had one.

Get ferking real RR.

You've said the PC was killed before he could even think about what was happening.

Sadly I think you're right.

So what difference would him having a gun have made?

[adz-a32]

1) There are bare armed police in Parliament area
2) Police are bad enough with stop and search, arming them will increase police brutality

[TH63]

I'll just leave this here

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19380492

[Colonel Cærdiffi]

Tell you what blue matt, as a little experiment, why don't you ask your cop buddies if they trust every single police officer they've ever met with a firearm?

[blue matt]

Tell you what blue matt, as a little experiment, why don't you ask your cop buddies if they trust every single police officer they've ever met with a firearm?

would it matter though ? ? ? ?

as would you believe the answer ? ? ?

I can ask one of them tomorrow, as we are of to starbucks for a coffee

as a side note, the number of AR officers i know is upto 6, a " I am safe " notification popped up on my FB page from someone we do dog agility camps with, i forgot her and her husband are both Police in the Met, he is a trained AR officer, we have camped with them for 3 weeks and a few weekends ( over the last 3 years ), he seems a decent enough bloke and i would hazard a guess that he could be trusted with a gun, but i couldnt give him my " Blue matt's Golden Guarantee™ " as i dont know him that well, not like the other 5 ( one is my brother in law )

[Colonel Cærdiffi]

would it matter though ? ? ? ?

as would you believe the answer ? ? ?

I can ask one of them tomorrow, as we are of to starbucks for a coffee

as a side note, the number of AR officers i know is upto 6, a " I am safe " notification popped up on my FB page from someone we do dog agility camps with, i forgot her and her husband are both Police in the Met, he is a trained AR officer, we have camped with them for 3 weeks and a few weekends ( over the last 3 years ), he seems a decent enough bloke and i would hazard a guess that he could be trusted with a gun, but i couldnt give him my " Blue matt's Golden Guarantee™ " as i dont know him that well, not like the other 5 ( one is my brother in law )

If you trust their judgement, which you seem to do since you've done everything in this thread short of canonising them, then I see no reason why you couldn't ask them if they trust every single officer they've met with a firearm. If they're as honest as you seem to think they are, then they'll probably be giving you an answer you won't be happy with.

You can stop vouching for individual police officers you're vaguely acquainted with by the way, I wasn't serious when I told you I needed your pass on all 125,000, and since you're clearly up for giving them all guns anyway I can say without any doubt that your judgement on these matters is compromised.

I naturally trust my own judgement better than yours and having encountered a number of police officers in my years I can say I wouldn't trust 50% of them with spud guns.

[blue matt]

If you trust their judgement, which you seem to do since you've done everything in this thread short of canonising them, then I see no reason why you couldn't ask them if they trust every single officer they've met with a firearm. If they're as honest as you seem to think they are, then they'll probably be giving you an answer you won't be happy with.

You can stop vouching for individual police officers you're vaguely acquainted with by the way, I wasn't serious when I told you I needed your pass on all 125,000, and since you're clearly up for giving them all guns anyway I can say without any doubt that your judgement on these matters is compromised.

I naturally trust my own judgement better than yours and having encountered a number of police officers in my years I can say I wouldn't trust 50% of them with spud guns.

you only had to say " it wouldnt matter as i wouldnt believe you anyway "

so my " Blue matt's Golden Guarantee™ " is worthless then, and after you came up with such a humorous name for it, what a waste