Arm our officers

[blue matt]

What probably needed is close to hand armed tasks force that are not regular police and not walking the streets but can be deployed discreetly and quickly , those people would be highly trained have access to quick response vehicles and helicopter and vehicles, perhaps a fore that is deeper integration with our armed forces as or of homeland force ,we can ignore this.

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we have this, not the helicopter ( as they cannot afford them ) but they have the rapid response Armed units

The issue for me, yes 8 mins was a great time, many more would have been injured or killed if they hadnt been so fast, BUT this was due to be being in central london, i have said this in this thread before, if it was in a more rural location, the ETA would have been 30 mins plus, now that is a scary thought, 30 mins of a group ( with fake suicide vests ) walking down a busy high street stabbing people , we would be looking at far greater numbers of injured and killed people

[Charlie]

What probably needed is close to hand armed tasks force that are not regular police and not walking the streets but can be deployed discreetly and quickly , those people would be highly trained have access to quick response vehicles and helicopter and vehicles, perhaps a fore that is deeper integration with our armed forces as or of homeland force ,we can ignore this.

However over and above this we need to get to route cause and that means sophisticated measures just as on line monitoring and listening solutions , covert integration into these peoples lives , and ways of thought , that how the Irish issue fell in the end.

Finally only the Muslim's and the close communities living in and around these people can really help , people must be seeing the movement and behavior of these people ,or suspect something is not right , having lived in some tough places in my time , we all knew where the good and bad were, and how to avoid and join them .

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...ists--10562140

It seems from this he was known, and reported by the Muslim community as being a potential threat, whatever is being done once these reports are placed maybe need to be looked at as something seems to be failing.
Obviously we don't know all the times that reports lead to arrests, but some seem to fall through the cracks.

[blue matt]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...ists--10562140

It seems from this he was known, and reported by the Muslim community as being a potential threat, whatever is being done once these reports are placed maybe need to be looked at as something seems to be failing.
Obviously we don't know all the times that reports lead to arrests, but some seem to fall through the cracks.

in respect to this

one of the reporters has just said to Teresa May that one of the attackers from Saturday was on a Documentary ( he might have said BBC ?? ? ) on TV last year waving a IS Flag around in a London park, I understand " freedom of speech " yada yada yada but this must point to another attack by someone known to the authorities

I guess even if they are reported, the report ends up on the right desk and put on " the watch list " they are still free to do what they want

[itkman]

in respect to this

one of the reporters has just said to Teresa May that one of the attackers from Saturday was on a Documentary ( he might have said BBC ?? ? ) on TV last year waving a IS Flag around in a London park, I understand " freedom of speech " yada yada yada but this must point to another attack by someone known to the authorities

I guess even if they are reported, the report ends up on the right desk and put on " the watch list " they are still free to do what they want

But what could they have done with a man they'd seen waving an ISIS flag that would have stopped him driving a van into people and then stabbing others?

[Croesy Blue]

Are rural areas ever going to be targeted by terrorists? Rarely id say, it's not a threat worth arming every police officer.

How are we affording this anyway with cuts already being made to the police? If security is such a big concern why are areas like the police being cut?

[blue matt]

Are rural areas ever going to be targeted by terrorists? Rarely id say, it's not a threat worth arming every police officer.

How are we affording this anyway with cuts already being made to the police? If security is such a big concern why are areas like the police being cut?

why wouldnt rural area's be targeted, they would have longer to carry out these " low tech attacks " yes sure, they havent been so far ( excluding Michael Ryan in the 80's, maybe more, but his name springs to mind ) , but who knows

as for police cuts and funding, of course we need more funding for them, maybe if we upped a tax for the richer section of society
maybe thats a issue to take up with your local MP

[lardy]

Are rural areas ever going to be targeted by terrorists? Rarely id say, it's not a threat worth arming every police officer.

How are we affording this anyway with cuts already being made to the police? If security is such a big concern why are areas like the police being cut?

Paper boys need to be armed, or at the very least the old guy in Spar.

[Croesy Blue]

why wouldnt rural area's be targeted, they would have longer to carry out these " low tech attacks " yes sure, they havent been so far ( excluding Michael Ryan in the 80's, maybe more, but his name springs to mind ) , but who knows

as for police cuts and funding, of course we need more funding for them, maybe if we upped a tax for the richer section of society
maybe thats a issue to take up with your local MP

It's not a credible enough threat to arm every police officer in the country though. Chances of it happening are low since terrorists are currently targeting large scale events and urban areas because they cause maximum fear and maximum coverage.

You can't have security for the sake of it if there's no credible threat. The cost and benefits have to be weighed up and currently youd say there is zero benefit even when ignoring the other arguments made in this thread.

The only terrorist attack in a rural area we've had in years is that lunatic who stabbed the mp over brexit.

[blue matt]

You can't have security for the sake of it if there's no credible threat. The cost and benefits have to be weighed up and currently youd say there is zero benefit even when ignoring the other arguments made in this thread.

So we give rural areas more armed officers after we have experienced a rural area killing spree

we need to get away from the " lets deal with a issue after it has become one " thinking, and maybe tackle the issue head on

The old saying " Closing the stable door after the horse has bolted " is fairly apt here

[severncity]

why wouldnt rural area's be targeted, they would have longer to carry out these " low tech attacks " yes sure, they havent been so far ( excluding Michael Ryan in the 80's, maybe more, but his name springs to mind ) , but who knows

as for police cuts and funding, of course we need more funding for them, maybe if we upped a tax for the richer section of society
maybe thats a issue to take up with your local MP

The three recent mass shootings in the UK were all in rural areas:

Hungerford 1987 16 killed by Michael Ryan
Dunblane 1996 17 killed by Thomas Hamilton
Cumbria 2010 12 killed by Derek Bird

It is clear from these figures that attacking in a rural area gives the murderers more time to kill during their spree. Hopefully any potential terrorists won't have embarked on this particular analysis.

[blue matt]

It is clear from these figures that attacking in a rural area gives the murderers more time to kill during their spree. Hopefully any potential terrorists won't have embarked on this particular analysis.

we can only hope

[Butterwick Blue]

Rural areas don't even have coppers, never mind armed ones!

[Croesy Blue]

So we give rural areas more armed officers after we have experienced a rural area killing spree

we need to get away from the " lets deal with a issue after it has become one " thinking, and maybe tackle the issue head on

The old saying " Closing the stable door after the horse has bolted " is fairly apt here

Yes you need be active not reactive but you can't spend time, money on resources on something that has very little chance of happeneing.

It's one of those things that would be nice to have but isn't feasible because it would more than likely be a gigantic waste.

[blue matt]

Yes you need be active not reactive but you can't spend time, money on resources on something that has very little chance of happeneing.

It's one of those things that would be nice to have but isn't feasible because it would more than likely be a gigantic waste.

In a ideal world yes, but our world is changing and its changing fast, imho we should be ahead of the game, not playing catch up

[Croesy Blue]

In a ideal world yes, but our world is changing and its changing fast, imho we should be ahead of the game, not playing catch up

What do you even mean by that? It's just a load of buzz words. We are statistically living in the safest and most peaceful time to be alive and you want soldiers patrolling melton Mowbray, why?

[Croesy Blue]

Charge him with inciting terrorism, supporting a known terrorist group etc. and bang him up.

Alternatively stand idly by mumbling about human rights.

Whilst I agree something needs to be done about stuff like that, it is a slippery slope with regards to free speech etc. Why aren't these people being more closely monitored? We knew he was a threat we didn't need an excuse to bang him up for waving a flag just watch him like a hawk and lock him up for conspiring to commit an attack. He had 2 pals in on it so how hard is that to track?

[blue matt]

just watching my local news ( in the west county ) and Martin Surl ( Gloucester police and crime commissioner ) was just asked about the response time for incidents in the region (Avon & Somerset, Glos, Wilts ) the interviewer mentioned the area being maybe a " soft target " and was pushing for any idea of the response time ( with Saturdays London attack being 8 mins ) Martin Surl just kept on saying they had a plan in place, he couldnt comment on the response time, and you can draw your own conclusions

maybe it isnt just me who is slightly concerned about life outside the big cities

[Croesy Blue]

So they've already considered this then, who'd have thought Matt wasn't the first person to consider response times in non urban areas.

Looks like they've thought of a way without arming every Bobby on the beat too.

[blue matt]

just watching my local news ( in the west county ) and Martin Surl ( Gloucester police and crime commissioner ) was just asked about the response time for incidents in the region (Avon & Somerset, Glos, Wilts ) the interviewer mentioned the area being maybe a " soft target " and was pushing for any idea of the response time ( with Saturdays London attack being 8 mins ) Martin Surl just kept on saying they had a plan in place, he couldnt comment on the response time, and you can draw your own conclusions

maybe it isnt just me who is slightly concerned about life outside the big cities

So they've already considered this then, who'd have thought Matt wasn't the first person to consider response times in non urban areas.

Looks like they've thought of a way without arming every Bobby on the beat too.

you did read my post didnt you ? ? ?

London = 8 mins ( on Saturday )
Avon & Somerset, Glos, Wilts = Much Longer, 30 mins plus

which is exactly my point, Not sure they can do a 45 - 50 min trip in under 30 mins

[Kiffa]

as for police cuts and funding, of course we need more funding for them, maybe if we upped a tax for the richer section of society
maybe thats a issue to take up with your local MP

If only there was someone running for Prime Minister who was promising to do just that eh?..........

[CardiffIrish2]

My business is failing because it's everyone's else fault I haven't signed up enough customers over the last 8 years.
Sorry, just trying to think like Theresa May.
20,000 less coppers well done bitch sarcastic 👏