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Thread: I am voting Labour

  1. #41

    Re: I am voting Labour

    Quote Originally Posted by ninianclark View Post
    You would vote Labour even if Jeremy Corbyn had just killed your kids - nothing like a man so narrow minded that they will never change their mind.

    Jeremy Corbyn went to a grammar school.... and yet he is opposed to them. His son also went, but I think that was JC's wife over ruling him....
    What is the purpose of your hypothetical scenario in paragraph 1?

    Paragraph 2 - I doubt that JC had much say on the matter and, being 11, I doubt that his politics were formed then.

    His marriage broke up over his son's education. I find that tragic, you find it amusing. A bit like the vicar's daughter.

  2. #42

    Re: I am voting Labour

    Quote Originally Posted by Pearcey3 View Post
    If the Tories had been in power in 2003 do you think they would have failed to back Bush? I don't think so.
    The likes of Murdoch and the hard right press need to be held to account too along with weak politicians on both sides of the house
    Theresa May voted WITH the Labour government in 2003. So, you are right, she would have backed Bush in 2003.

  3. #43

    Re: I am voting Labour

    Quote Originally Posted by bobh View Post
    I'm a life-long Labour voter, would never vote Tory in a million years.
    But something worries me about Jeremy.
    Hopefully he'll resign after the result.
    How you vote is up to you, but I can't understand the logic of voting for one party in a lifetime.

  4. #44

    Re: I am voting Labour

    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Shitpeas View Post
    I like his politics and he seems like a decent bloke, but Corbyn has got to go as he's simply not a leader. It seems almost a certainty that the tories will win a landslide and Corbyn will walk anyway and Labour can elect a new leader this summer to unify the party and build up the fight for the next election.

    But I hate the fact that Cardiff North is tory. It'll only take a swing of around 2,000 votes to get rid of Craig Williams, the condescending little Tory shitbag. So it's Labour for me.
    Corbyn is seen as unelectable mainly because Rupert Murdoch wants them to think that way.

    Corbyn is a decent bloke, but I haven't got a clue what he thinks of the main topic in this election - Brexit.

  5. #45

    Re: I am voting Labour

    Quote Originally Posted by bobh View Post
    Yes, I know studen loans came in under Blair's gov. But I believe the seeds were sown by Major (I could be wrong)

    Taxation is ridiculoisly low these days - when I started work a basic rate-payer lost about a third of his pay.
    We still do. I take home 64% of my pay but that's not including Council Tax and Road Tax.

  6. #46

    Re: I am voting Labour

    Quote Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish View Post
    I'm also going to vote for the party of the working class...
    Tory? Check Theresa Maybe's voting record.

  7. #47

    Re: I am voting Labour

    Quote Originally Posted by LordKenwyne View Post
    That isn't an argument.

    Blair didn't simply back bush they went hand in hand.

    In the coalition now you see the UK taking a back seat. Under Tory guidance they are not front line and centre.

    Labour took us to war costing hundreds of thousands of lives. & even after the beginning of the war they were voted back into power.

    Anti Tories always bring out the past, fundamentally evil. When you bring up Labour's past they claim it was outside influence poisoning the party.

    Labour voters grandstanding about morals died many moons ago.

    I suppose in 50-60 years time we can look back and thank the recent Labour party efforts for completely destroying our image abroad. Creating the scenario for the worst refugee crisis in 70 odd years. However many dead. Some of the oldest civilisations in existence decimated.
    The Toryparty (including Theresa May) backed Blair. More so than the voters - we didn't have a chance to vote on the Iraq war having elected Blair a second time in 2001 prior to 9/11.

  8. #48

    Re: I am voting Labour

    I have decided on my MP as opposed to the party this time. Jo Stephens left the front bench due to Corbyn's support of article 50 sonshes getting my vote.

    Jeremy Corbyn nice man or not is not up to job, he never wanted it. Hopefully next leader is someone far more tenacious in holding TM to account.

  9. #49

    Re: I am voting Labour

    With Labour and UKIP imploding, Plaid (in Wales) and the Lib Dems could be the best tactical votes to ensure the Tory's don't get a 100+ majority

  10. #50

    Re: I am voting Labour

    Quote Originally Posted by Kris View Post
    The Toryparty (including Theresa May) backed Blair. More so than the voters - we didn't have a chance to vote on the Iraq war having elected Blair a second time in 2001 prior to 9/11.
    You seem to have missed the fact that Blair deliberately misled the country and Parliament by inventing or rather believing a story in the dodgy dossier that there were WMD and the '45 minutes' etc.

    If you are an MP of any party - and the PM stands up in the house of Commons to not only address the house but the whole country and tells everyone he has seen the evidence , that it is real and exists and that we must act etc. Most people will believe the PM - why would he lie or be very very economical with the truth.

    That's why people believed him , people of all political parties. As it turns out - we now know it was ALL BS, he lied and it cost hundreds of THOUSANDS of innocent lives of men women and children.

    That power vacuum led to the spawning of ISIS, Blair should be in prison for war crimes.

  11. #51

    Re: I am voting Labour

    Quote Originally Posted by City123 View Post
    With Labour and UKIP imploding, Plaid (in Wales) and the Lib Dems could be the best tactical votes to ensure the Tory's don't get a 100+ majority
    Back to the matter in hand, people in Wales voted in favour of Brexit. If you did that then you should vote Conservative on June 8th , as Labour wont deliver Brexit neither will the Lib Dems or Plaid

    Why would you vote for something in one election - to vote for another party that wont deliver what you voted for in the last election. Maybe it's time for 'traditional Welsh Labour' voters to 'think outside the shed' for a change - personally I doubt they will.

  12. #52

    Re: I am voting Labour

    Quote Originally Posted by ninianclark View Post
    Back to the matter in hand, people in Wales voted in favour of Brexit. If you did that then you should vote Conservative on June 8th , as Labour wont deliver Brexit neither will the Lib Dems or Plaid

    Why would you vote for something in one election - to vote for another party that wont deliver what you voted for in the last election. Maybe it's time for 'traditional Welsh Labour' voters to 'think outside the shed' for a change - personally I doubt they will.
    People in Wales voted in favour for Brexit - yes. But, many Brexitters that I know rarely, if ever, vote in General Elections.

    I voted to remain, and for that reason I will vote Lib Dems.

    In the meantime, the Tories are planning to bypass Parliament in their attempts to re-write the EU laws. This will be done by a PM who hates scrutiny, and votes against the worker on every occasion. They also want the right to look at people's e-mails, texts and internet history - to fight "terrorism" of which there has only been one terrorist attack in the UK since 9/11.

    Under the cloak of Brexit, Theresa May will get her grimy little claws in many facets of our lives (both private and professional). I would say that, even if you voted for Brexit there is a chance you DIDN'T vote for Theresa May's version of it. Theresa May will deliver Brexit, of that there is no doubt. But, it's a murkier Brexit than the one some of the "moderates" voted for. Some people have even claimed they would now vote to remain given the opportunity, because they were sold a vision where we would retain access to the Single Market.

    Theresa May has gone from being a reluctant remainer to becoming a full blown extreme Brexitter.

    She'll get a huge majority, and the sick, unemployed, and unskilled will be the major losers. All for control of our borders which, even the old hag admits, cannot be achieved before 2024.

    If Labour had David Miliband, or even Ed Miliband (why do leaders step down after one defeat?) then May would struggle because she is even less decisive than Gordon Brown.

  13. #53

    Re: I am voting Labour

    Quote Originally Posted by ninianclark View Post
    Back to the matter in hand, people in Wales voted in favour of Brexit. If you did that then you should vote Conservative on June 8th , as Labour wont deliver Brexit neither will the Lib Dems or Plaid

    Why would you vote for something in one election - to vote for another party that wont deliver what you voted for in the last election. Maybe it's time for 'traditional Welsh Labour' voters to 'think outside the shed' for a change - personally I doubt they will.
    If you like the NHS, the police force, the prison service, education and the welfare state, do not vote Conservative

    Brexit will happen regardless, but voting Conservative in overwhelming numbers will give them a mandate to destroy and sell off the NHS, the schools, the prison service, the police etc

  14. #54

    Re: I am voting Labour

    Quote Originally Posted by ninianclark View Post
    You seem to have missed the fact that Blair deliberately misled the country and Parliament by inventing or rather believing a story in the dodgy dossier that there were WMD and the '45 minutes' etc.

    If you are an MP of any party - and the PM stands up in the house of Commons to not only address the house but the whole country and tells everyone he has seen the evidence , that it is real and exists and that we must act etc. Most people will believe the PM - why would he lie or be very very economical with the truth.

    That's why people believed him , people of all political parties. As it turns out - we now know it was ALL BS, he lied and it cost hundreds of THOUSANDS of innocent lives of men women and children.

    That power vacuum led to the spawning of ISIS, Blair should be in prison for war crimes.
    That is a valid point. However, many members of the public poured scorn on the claims that Iraq could attack the UK within 45 minutes. Theresa May was among those who had access to more evidence than the public did, and she believed it. Now we will give her a huge mandate to spend 5 years with an already poor record of voting based on a lack of critical fact finding.

  15. #55

    Re: I am voting Labour

    "In the meantime, the Tories are planning to bypass Parliament in their attempts to re-write the EU laws."

    Arent all EU laws being made in UK laws in Parliament through the general repeal bill ? - I thought they were

    "They also want the right to look at people's e-mails, texts and internet history - to fight "terrorism" of which there has only been one terrorist attack in the UK since 9/11."


    There was a terrorist attack last week in case you missed it, there have also been lots more thwarted at the last minute and convictions made thanks to the UK intelligence services.

    Also - never once did the official Leave side say that Brexit meant staying in the single market - especially as it meant there would still be the free movement of people. Did you realise that both Australia and now New Zealand are changing their immigration policies - I dont recall hearing your protests ?

    "Theresa May has gone from being a reluctant remainer to becoming a full blown extreme Brexitter."

    She was elected the leader of a Govt that has no choice but to fulfil that referendum result. Faced with call sfrom all sides about her having NO MANDATE - she had no choice to but to call a General Election.


    I agree with your other points - David Milliband was stabbed in the back by his brother and Len McCluskey. If Cameron hadnt been so spooked by UKIP he would not have called an election. That is all if's but's and maybe's

    What are you thoughts in France ? - they have a far right candidate that wants to leave the Europ and the EU AND they have a far left candidate that wants to leave the Euro and the EU.


    As for Jezza and him spending an extra 500 billion which will be financed by taxing the rich etc , there was an interesting report from the BBC on who pays what in regards to taxes - the result was not what I thought

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39641222?

  16. #56

    Re: I am voting Labour

    Quote Originally Posted by Kris View Post
    The Toryparty (including Theresa May) backed Blair. More so than the voters - we didn't have a chance to vote on the Iraq war having elected Blair a second time in 2001 prior to 9/11.
    Correct. It is also worth pointing out that many Labour MP's including Corbyn voted against the Iraq War.
    Its also rich from Lord K to suggest anti Tories always bring up the past. The Tories have been in power for seven years and still constantly hark back to the mess Labour left the country in. Time for them to stand on their own record. Its also nonsense to say the coaltion took a back seat. Does Libya ring any bells? Don't even get me started on Syria

  17. #57

    Re: I am voting Labour

    Theresa will do the Labour Party a big favour in June. After the projected and expected annihilation at the Election, he and his fellow Marxist/Leninists will be forced to stand down (* or will they?) and allow Labour to elect a viable and electable leader again. The British people will never vote for communists. As the attached article states, only 4 communists have ever been elected to Westminster and the last one was in 1945. If McDonnell & the rest of the entryists want that sort of government, they should stand as communist candidates, not use Labour as a front. The country needs a proper Opposition. This Corbyn fiasco has gone on too long.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...xactly-labour/

  18. #58

    Re: I am voting Labour

    Quote Originally Posted by LordKenwyne View Post
    That isn't an argument.

    Blair didn't simply back bush they went hand in hand.
    When May went to see Trump, this was literally the case.

    Why are we trying to cosy up to America while trying to shut the door on our most influential and major trading partner?

  19. #59

    Re: I am voting Labour

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    We are going to get hammered but there you go , I wouldn't vote Tory if it was my last day on this planet
    Even if they gave you lifetime membership to Choristers and carte blanche ability to book conference rooms with the real IRA?

  20. #60

    Re: I am voting Labour

    Quote Originally Posted by Pearcey3 View Post
    Yes I agree with you on this. It was Blair's Government that brought in tuition fees in an attempt to make it possible for there to be a huge increase in under graduates without encumbering the state with all of the costs.
    the policy aim was to reduce youth unemployment. it was shifting the goalposts - political gain whilst lumbering hundreds of thousands of people with massive debt.
    The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  21. #61

    Re: I am voting Labour

    Quote Originally Posted by TISS View Post
    the policy aim was to reduce youth unemployment. it was shifting the goalposts - political gain whilst lumbering hundreds of thousands of people with massive debt.
    Spot on!

    The technical education reforms are 20 years too late.

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