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Thread: The Trust in a mess.

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    The Trust in a mess.

    Judging by the statement issued today.

  2. #2

    Re: The Trust in a mess.

    I quit the Trust when they started kissing Tan's bum.

    The club needs a strong Trust, but they appear to be more interested in transfer budgets and pushing for Premier League football than questioning or criticising the owner.

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    Re: The Trust in a mess.

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWales View Post
    Judging by the statement issued today.
    An error has been made, acknowledged, is being rectified & steps put in place to avoid a repetition. At the end of the day it's an admin issue that is being sorted, not an ideal situation but hardly a mess as you have put it

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    Re: The Trust in a mess.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kris View Post
    I quit the Trust when they started kissing Tan's bum.

    The club needs a strong Trust, but they appear to be more interested in transfer budgets and pushing for Premier League football than questioning or criticising the owner.
    You quit Cardiff City because you didnt like something or other.

    Seems to be a common trait with you.

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    Re: The Trust in a mess.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kris View Post
    I quit the Trust when they started kissing Tan's bum.

    The club needs a strong Trust, but they appear to be more interested in transfer budgets and pushing for Premier League football than questioning or criticising the owner.
    You seem to have plenty to say on here Kris about a variety of subjects so why not get involved & try to influence the direction of the Trust if you are unhappy with their strategy?

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    Re: The Trust in a mess.

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWales View Post
    Judging by the statement issued today.
    What statement?

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    Re: The Trust in a mess.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfonso Perez View Post
    An error has been made, acknowledged, is being rectified & steps put in place to avoid a repetition. At the end of the day it's an admin issue that is being sorted, not an ideal situation but hardly a mess as you have put it
    Exactly, had they not been forward in sending the email and admitting the oversight nobody would have been any wiser i suspect.

  8. #8

    Re: The Trust in a mess.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfonso Perez View Post
    You seem to have plenty to say on here Kris about a variety of subjects so why not get involved & try to influence the direction of the Trust if you are unhappy with their strategy?
    It's a boy's club.

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    Re: The Trust in a mess.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock View Post
    You quit Cardiff City because you didnt like something or other.

    Seems to be a common trait with you.
    Do you eat food you dislike? Do you live in a house you hate? Do you go to the cinema to watch movies that you don't like? You quit your job, you can't quit something that you choose to do freely.

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    Re: The Trust in a mess.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kris View Post
    Do you eat food you dislike? Do you live in a house you hate? Do you go to the cinema to watch movies that you don't like? You quit your job, you can't quit something that you choose to do freely.
    Yes he did.
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    Re: The Trust in a mess.

    It always been an unwanted mess.
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    Re: The Trust in a mess.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfonso Perez View Post
    An error has been made, acknowledged, is being rectified & steps put in place to avoid a repetition. At the end of the day it's an admin issue that is being sorted, not an ideal situation but hardly a mess as you have put it
    As a member of the Trust who has just renewed my membership I'm entitled to say that the shambles referred to in their statement today is far from impressive.
    What word would you use to quickly describe the situation Alfie ?

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    Re: The Trust in a mess.

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWales View Post
    As a member of the Trust who has just renewed my membership I'm entitled to say that the shambles referred to in their statement today is far from impressive.
    What word would you use to quickly describe the situation Alfie ?

    I am also a member of the trust & within my original post I think that I have clearly articulated how I view this. We are both entitled to an opinion but in this instance we view the situation slightly differently. In my mind when mistakes happen it is normally preferable to look at how they are going to be rectified as opposed to being critical, as generally this adds no value to the situation. In this instance the trust have been both open & proactive in fixing the situation. My view is that we have a bunch of people giving up their free time for the benefit of our entire fan-base so I don't think that it is too much to ask to cut them some slack sometimes.

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    Re: The Trust in a mess.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kris View Post
    I quit the Trust when they started kissing Tan's bum.

    The club needs a strong Trust, but they appear to be more interested in transfer budgets and pushing for Premier League football than questioning or criticising the owner.
    Or they spotted a owner who would save our club .

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    Re: The Trust in a mess.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfonso Perez View Post
    I am also a member of the trust & within my original post I think that I have clearly articulated how I view this. We are both entitled to an opinion but in this instance we view the situation slightly differently. In my mind when mistakes happen it is normally preferable to look at how they are going to be rectified as opposed to being critical, as generally this adds no value to the situation. In this instance the trust have been both open & proactive in fixing the situation. My view is that we have a bunch of people giving up their free time for the benefit of our entire fan-base so I don't think that it is too much to ask to cut them some slack sometimes.
    and your one word summary of the situation is ?

  16. #16

    Re: The Trust in a mess.

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWales View Post
    and your one word summary of the situation is ?
    Resolved.

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    Re: The Trust in a mess.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfonso Perez View Post
    I am also a member of the trust & within my original post I think that I have clearly articulated how I view this. We are both entitled to an opinion but in this instance we view the situation slightly differently. In my mind when mistakes happen it is normally preferable to look at how they are going to be rectified as opposed to being critical, as generally this adds no value to the situation. In this instance the trust have been both open & proactive in fixing the situation. My view is that we have a bunch of people giving up their free time for the benefit of our entire fan-base so I don't think that it is too much to ask to cut them some slack sometimes.
    Exactly.

    A mistake was made. It was spotted. It was resolved. The membership was informed. No drama.
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    Re: The Trust in a mess.

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve R View Post
    Yes he did.
    How are you going to know whether you like it or not until you have watched the movie?

  19. #19

    Re: The Trust in a mess.

    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    Exactly.

    A mistake was made. It was spotted. It was resolved. The membership was informed. No drama.
    Nah, there is no mileage in that . Lets create and slag of the trust , hope to disillusion a few more members , now that is progress.
    For some.

  20. #20

    Re: The Trust in a mess.

    Can someone please confirm what the statement said

  21. #21

    Re: The Trust in a mess.

    A strong and active Trust would do good things for this club.

  22. #22

    Re: The Trust in a mess.

    Quote Originally Posted by Auntie Andy View Post
    Can someone please confirm what the statement said
    Please confirm your membership number.

  23. #23

    Re: The Trust in a mess.

    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    Exactly.

    A mistake was made. It was spotted. It was resolved. The membership was informed. No drama.
    Agreed.
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    Re: The Trust in a mess.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfonso Perez View Post
    I am also a member of the trust & within my original post I think that I have clearly articulated how I view this. We are both entitled to an opinion but in this instance we view the situation slightly differently. In my mind when mistakes happen it is normally preferable to look at how they are going to be rectified as opposed to being critical, as generally this adds no value to the situation. In this instance the trust have been both open & proactive in fixing the situation. My view is that we have a bunch of people giving up their free time for the benefit of our entire fan-base so I don't think that it is too much to ask to cut them some slack sometimes.

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    Re: The Trust in a mess.

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve R View Post
    Yes he did.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kris View Post
    Do you eat food you dislike? Do you live in a house you hate? Do you go to the cinema to watch movies that you don't like? You quit your job, you can't quit something that you choose to do freely.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock View Post
    How are you going to know whether you like it or not until you have watched the movie?
    You watch it on Kodi first.
    Banana sssandwichesss - What a load of bollocksss!

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    Re: The Trust in a mess.

    Quote Originally Posted by Auntie Andy View Post
    Can someone please confirm what the statement said

    If a bollock has been dropped, best look over the other forum, if its something to bash the trust they will be all over it like a rash.
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    Re: The Trust in a mess.

    Quote Originally Posted by Auntie Andy View Post
    Can someone please confirm what the statement said

    Statement from the Board of Cardiff City Supporters’ Trust


    The Trust board was made aware in December last year that under the Co-operative and Community Benefit Society Act of 2014, the registration of the Cardiff City Supporters Society Ltd (the registered name for the Trust) had been cancelled because of a failure to submit annual returns to the Financial Conduct Authority (FCA) and its predecessor between December 31, 2011 and December 31, 2015.

    This was a result of significant administrative and communication shortcomings. These errors arose because there were not checks in place to ensure that all accounts, AGM minutes etc, which had been completed and approved by members at those AGMs, had been submitted to the FCA. Also the board was unaware that the FCA had not been notified of a change of address of the registered office for the old society, so that any notifications of non-filing were not brought to the attention of the board.

    The board wishes to apologise to members for these unacceptable errors.

    We would like to reassure members that during the period in question our accounts were certified annually by qualified, independent chartered accountants and there has been no financial impropriety, which has been recognised by the FCA. There was, however, a failure under the act to submit them to the FCA as required.

    As a result of the removal of registration, the board has been restructured. In addition, a new Company Secretary has been appointed.

    Once we were made aware of the cancellation of the registration, we immediately contacted Supporters’ Direct (SD), the umbrella organisation for all Trusts, for advice on the way forward.

    As a consequence, it was agreed with FCA and SD that the only available option was to apply for a new registration. This has been done in the new corporate name of Bluebirds Supporters’ Society Limited, although the Trust will still be known by its “trading” name of Cardiff City Supporters’ Trust.

    We have met all the requested requirements of the FCA and are now awaiting confirmation that the re-registration of the society can take place.

    Once registered, all assets of the old company will transfer across to the new company. There will be no need to change membership standing orders etc. as bank details will remain the same. We will then arrange a meeting of members to formalise the new arrangements. We hope that this can take place as soon as possible.

    Once again, we would like to apologise for the failures identified and assure members that important lessons have been learnt. We are confident that measures are in place to ensure that this cannot happen again and we can now look forward to a positive future.

    Finally, can any replies to this message be sent to members@ccfctrust.org please.
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  28. #28

    Re: The Trust in a mess.

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Or they spotted a owner who would save our club .
    Define
    SAVE

  29. #29

    Re: The Trust in a mess.

    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    Statement from the Board of Cardiff City Supporters’ Trust


    The Trust board was made aware in December last year that under the Co-operative and Community Benefit Society Act of 2014, the registration of the Cardiff City Supporters Society Ltd (the registered name for the Trust) had been cancelled because of a failure to submit annual returns to the Financial Conduct Authority (FCA) and its predecessor between December 31, 2011 and December 31, 2015.

    This was a result of significant administrative and communication shortcomings. These errors arose because there were not checks in place to ensure that all accounts, AGM minutes etc, which had been completed and approved by members at those AGMs, had been submitted to the FCA. Also the board was unaware that the FCA had not been notified of a change of address of the registered office for the old society, so that any notifications of non-filing were not brought to the attention of the board.

    The board wishes to apologise to members for these unacceptable errors.

    We would like to reassure members that during the period in question our accounts were certified annually by qualified, independent chartered accountants and there has been no financial impropriety, which has been recognised by the FCA. There was, however, a failure under the act to submit them to the FCA as required.

    As a result of the removal of registration, the board has been restructured. In addition, a new Company Secretary has been appointed.

    Once we were made aware of the cancellation of the registration, we immediately contacted Supporters’ Direct (SD), the umbrella organisation for all Trusts, for advice on the way forward.

    As a consequence, it was agreed with FCA and SD that the only available option was to apply for a new registration. This has been done in the new corporate name of Bluebirds Supporters’ Society Limited, although the Trust will still be known by its “trading” name of Cardiff City Supporters’ Trust.

    We have met all the requested requirements of the FCA and are now awaiting confirmation that the re-registration of the society can take place.

    Once registered, all assets of the old company will transfer across to the new company. There will be no need to change membership standing orders etc. as bank details will remain the same. We will then arrange a meeting of members to formalise the new arrangements. We hope that this can take place as soon as possible.

    Once again, we would like to apologise for the failures identified and assure members that important lessons have been learnt. We are confident that measures are in place to ensure that this cannot happen again and we can now look forward to a positive future.

    Finally, can any replies to this message be sent to members@ccfctrust.org please.
    Ooops. They need a highly qualified accountant to advise them of these formalities. Does anyone know one?
    Last edited by Kris; 20-04-17 at 19:00.

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    Re: The Trust in a mess.

    cock up. your arse

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