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  1. #31

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    Quote Originally Posted by Something Blue View Post
    How many more millions would have died? Japan would never have surrendered without those bombs, the POW's would have still been tortured and mutilated for years, war is horrid and I hope we never see it again, but that act stopped an horrendous casualty list. If and when the US and the Uk invaded Japan what do you think might have happened. Sorry to rant but these arguments hold little water. I wish that no civilian ever dies again but, they are dying now on on European streets.
    Untrue. They had wanted to surrender for months beforehand. Their only condition was that the Emperor remained.

  2. #32

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    Here you go pal.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes.
    Like I said, if any country deserved to be flattened, then Japan would be my call. They were worse than the nazis

  3. #33

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    Quote Originally Posted by Organ Morgan. View Post
    Untrue. They had wanted to surrender for months beforehand. Their only condition was that the Emperor remained.
    Ok and you think that would have been acceptable to the allies do you? The Germans knew they were beaten too, maybe they should have surrendered but their only condition was that Hitler remained chancellor. Holy shit never mind semantics, as has been said in the thread they were an evil that needed to be stopped.

  4. #34

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    How many melted 5 year olds who died an agonising death in a flattened wasteland were responsible for murder?
    Not as many as would have been, if that regime had been allowed to fester. ffs.

  5. #35

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    It was acceptable to the Allies. The Emperor remained in situ following their surrender. Although, he did have to renounce his divinity.

  6. #36

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    Quote Originally Posted by Organ Morgan. View Post
    It was acceptable to the Allies. The Emperor remained in situ following their surrender. Although, he did have to renounce his divinity.
    Ok, I'll concede to your obvious knowledge. Cheers.
    Now, and not aimed at you, does anybody else want to get back on the track that went away, you know the problem with islamists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Something Blue View Post
    Ok, I'll concede to your obvious knowledge. Cheers.
    Now, and not aimed at you, does anybody else want to get back on the track that went away, you know the problem with islamists.
    Maybe we could start with not interfering in their countries? Maybe stop bombing them?

    Or we could start asking ourselves some challenging questions about why some muslims in our country (and France obviously) feel so disenfranchised with the country of their birth that they feel the need to carry out these attacks?

    Failing that, we could just nuke Paris I suppose.

  8. #38

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    Failing that, we could just nuke Paris I suppose.
    i am all for that count me in. the place is full of fannies.

  9. #39

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    What about dinosaurs. I bet they killed more cavemen than America have. Are dinosaurs a cancer?
    It's pretty unlikely that they did.

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    Any good news to regurgitate Bazza, bit boring concentrating on all the negatives
    honestly lifes a lesson

    go **** yourself you absolute cretinous arsehole ****

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    Quote Originally Posted by Organ Morgan. View Post
    Untrue. They had wanted to surrender for months beforehand. Their only condition was that the Emperor remained.

    At no time before the dropping of the second bomb did the Japanese attempt to surrender, the most they were willing to do was an armistice with a return to pre war borders.

  12. #42

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silures View Post
    I'd say 90% of Cardiff fans back in the day were total nutters. As for muslims, **** em all. I'll respect anyone as a human being, as soon as they start hiding behind there religion, they can do one as far as I'm concerned. And As for this small minority crap...Just a shame the small minority of extremist muslims runs into the millions.
    There is no way 90% of Cardiff fans back then were nutters.

    You say there are "millions" of extremist Muslims. Pure conjecture.

  13. #43

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    Quote Originally Posted by ken smith View Post
    What about dinosaurs. I bet they killed more cavemen than America have. Are dinosaurs a cancer?
    Dinosaurs died long before there were "cave"men. If you want to use a smart comment, try being smart.

  14. #44

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    Quote Originally Posted by goslow View Post
    At no time before the dropping of the second bomb did the Japanese attempt to surrender, the most they were willing to do was an armistice with a return to pre war borders.
    The Americans would only accept unconditional surrender. This, some argue, prolonged the war. Others argue that it prevented future conflicts.

    The Japanese Council was split (after the first bomb) on whether to surrender conditionally. They were hoping to negotiate with Russia, who had only just declared war on the Japanese themselves. The military wanted to keep on fighting and when Hirohito ordered surrender, there was an attempt to overthrow him by the military. It's the Russian invasion that forced the Japanese to surrender -in my opinion. The Americans had two bombs and had used them both, and the Japanese had resisted surrender during the fire bombing campaign.

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    Maybe we could start with not finterfering in their countries? Maybe stop bombing them?

    Or we could start asking ourselves some challenging questions about why some muslims in our country (and France obviously) feel so disenfranchised with the country of their birth that they feel the need to carry out these attacks?

    Failing that, we could just nuke Paris I suppose.
    Whilst I agree that the western world interfering in other countries does contribute to a hostile feeling, isis and their followers are on a jihad,they are taking the Koran to it's word. They shout allahu akbar when carrying out atrocities, not get out of our countries. There are citizens of countries never invaded, 3 from Cardiff! I'm afraid Islam and Islamic radicalisation is at the heart of this, they want their caliphate and no amount of foreign policy will alter that aim. Sad that in the 21st century people still kill for a fairy tale.

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    Re: Shootings in Paris

    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    How many melted 5 year olds who died an agonising death in a flattened wasteland were responsible for murder?
    Quote Originally Posted by Something Blue View Post
    Not as many as would have been, if that regime had been allowed to fester. ffs.
    ffs indeed.

    You and Silures seem happy to conflate the innocent victims of American bombs with the brutal military regime that ran the state where they happened to live. You can argue that bombing civilians produces terror and reduces morale to the point where a political objective is achieved (surrender) but I will not accept that the victims deserved their fate. They didn't murder Chinese children. I don't understand how people can approve of collective punishment based on race or nationality on the grounds that it is deserved or some type of justice. A pragmatic 'lesser of two evils' argument maybe, but not that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Something Blue View Post
    Whilst I agree that the western world interfering in other countries does contribute to a hostile feeling, isis and their followers are on a jihad,they are taking the Koran to it's word. They shout allahu akbar when carrying out atrocities, not get out of our countries. There are citizens of countries never invaded, 3 from Cardiff! I'm afraid Islam and Islamic radicalisation is at the heart of this, they want their caliphate and no amount of foreign policy will alter that aim. Sad that in the 21st century people still kill for a fairy tale.
    Yes, three from Cardiff so we need to understand WHY three Cardiff born lads suddenly felt the need to go to another country to fight, and the go about curing the disease and not just treat (bomb) the symptoms.

    Of course radicalisation is at the heart of this, it surely we have to ask why only a minority allow themselves to be radicalised?

    What your suggesting is similar to condemning Catholic, like me, for the crimes of the IRA, and go find out why THEY were formed in the first place, I think you'll find a common theme there.

    We need solutions, you're not offering any I'm afraid, just reproducing more rhetoric.

  18. #48

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    ffs indeed.

    You and Silures seem happy to conflate the innocent victims of American bombs with the brutal military regime that ran the state where they happened to live. You can argue that bombing civilians produces terror and reduces morale to the point where a political objective is achieved (surrender) but I will not accept that the victims deserved their fate. They didn't murder Chinese children. I don't understand how people can approve of collective punishment based on race or nationality on the grounds that it is deserved or some type of justice. A pragmatic 'lesser of two evils' argument maybe, but not that.
    Fuk Japan. Lucky to get away with only 2 atom bombs dropped on there heads Imo, after what they got up to

  19. #49

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kris View Post
    There is no way 90% of Cardiff fans back then were nutters.

    You say there are "millions" of extremist Muslims. Pure conjecture.
    Bollox. You had to be nuts to support Cardiff back in the day. What were fans going to watch? The great football on offer lol? And if you don't think there are millions of extremist muslims about in the world, then you need to dig your head out of the sand.whats the population of Saudi Arabia? There's your million without me even trying. This is the problem. No one makes excuses for any other religion, but everyone seems to want to jump to the defence of a religion with an idioligy that's says it's ok to murder gays, and woman who dare show to much flesh. Kill people who don't believe in that idioligy. Like I said....Fuk Muslim and islam. The sooner that religion is wiped out, the better

  20. #50

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silures View Post
    Bollox. You had to be nuts to support Cardiff back in the day. What were fans going to watch? The great football on offer lol? And if you don't think there are millions of extremist muslims about in the world, then you need to dig your head out of the sand.whats the population of Saudi Arabia? There's your million without me even trying. This is the problem. No one makes excuses for any other religion, but everyone seems to want to jump to the defence of a religion with an idioligy that's says it's ok to murder gays, and woman who dare show to much flesh. Kill people who don't believe in that idioligy. Like I said....**** Muslim and islam
    Wow, what a rant, and what amazing leaps of fantasy you take.

    OK - by your new definition of the word "nutters" then 100% of us were nutters. You were implying something else though, let's not pretend that you weren't.

    You're also changing your definition of extremists. Do you not think it is possible to have extreme views (you quote Saudi Arabia) without becoming terrorists?

    Then you're claiming I am making excuses for the religion. I make no excuses for anyone. Most religions advocate murder as a form of punishment, the Bible says an eye for an eye. Try staying factual, because you're coming across as a Daily Express reader at present, scared shitless of the world that you live in.

  21. #51

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silures View Post
    Fuk Japan. Lucky to get away with only 2 atom bombs dropped on there heads Imo, after what they got up to
    Controversial by design! The Americans only had two bombs at the time. The third one was a month away, and the fourth would have been dropped in November.

  22. #52

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kris View Post
    Wow, what a rant, and what amazing leaps of fantasy you take.

    OK - by your new definition of the word "nutters" then 100% of us were nutters. You were implying something else though, let's not pretend that you weren't.

    You're also changing your definition of extremists. Do you not think it is possible to have extreme views (you quote Saudi Arabia) without becoming terrorists?

    Then you're claiming I am making excuses for the religion. I make no excuses for anyone. Most religions advocate murder as a form of punishment, the Bible says an eye for an eye. Try staying factual, because you're coming across as a Daily Express reader at present, scared shitless of the world that you live in.
    WTF are you on about. Iv never read the bible, I couldn't give a **** about the bible. And daily express reader. I don't even know what that is you prick. I watch bestgore try it sometime. Like I said, Fuk Islam and Fuk Muslims.

  23. #53

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kris View Post
    Controversial by design! The Americans only had two bombs at the time. The third one was a month away, and the fourth would have been dropped in November.
    What a shame

  24. #54

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silures View Post
    WTF are you on about. Iv never read the bible, I couldn't give a **** about the bible. And daily express reader. I don't even know what that is you prick. I watch bestgore try it sometime. Like I said, Fuk Islam and Fuk Muslims.
    Definitely not a Daily Express reader, more likely the Beano.

  25. #55

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    What a shame
    Welcome back to the board CCFC Casual.

  26. #56

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    Welcome back to the board CCFC Casual.
    Thanks. Good to beback

  27. #57

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    Definitely not a Daily Express reader, more likely the Beano.
    I still don't no what the **** youre on about. Jump in front of a bus you kunt

  28. #58

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    I still don't no what the **** youre on about. Jump in front of a bus you kunt
    I'd love to, but the bus service around here is shit. I'd be waiting for 15 minutes.

  29. #59

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    Quote Originally Posted by TH63 View Post
    Yes, three from Cardiff so we need to understand WHY three Cardiff born lads suddenly felt the need to go to another country to fight, and the go about curing the disease and not just treat (bomb) the symptoms.

    Of course radicalisation is at the heart of this, it surely we have to ask why only a minority allow themselves to be radicalised?

    What your suggesting is similar to condemning Catholic, like me, for the crimes of the IRA, and go find out why THEY were formed in the first place, I think you'll find a common theme there.

    We need solutions, you're not offering any I'm afraid, just reproducing more rhetoric.
    Sorry you think it's just rhetoric, I knew it wouldn't be long before catholics and the Irish were mentioned, you asked me to find out why THEY, we're formed I don't have to, THEY, were formed to unify the island of Ireland hence the name, so the Irish REPUBLICAN army, we're not exclusively dedicated to bringing in a Catholic state. However the ISLAMIC state is. There are NO solutions because you CANNOT find common ground with people who wish you dead if you do not follow Islam.
    The minority are radicalised because they are against the state, any state, there is massive radicalisation in our prison system, because the radicalised want someone, anyone to blame.
    The three from Cardiff attended a mosque who's imam has openly said that white women can be made their sexual slaves. They went to the same school I attended many years before so had similar education and opportunities as me. I would say they were radicalised because they were taught in the mosque that they were superior.
    Sorry for the caps but you started it, I just put forward a different viewpoint to you. I'm happy to be wrong for the sake of future generations of my family. I'm not sure I am though.
    we have a mayor in London who happens to be a Muslim I don't know if he follows Islam or thinks the Koran is God's word, but I do know that his reaction to people being murdered is get used to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goslow View Post
    At no time before the dropping of the second bomb did the Japanese attempt to surrender, the most they were willing to do was an armistice with a return to pre war borders.
    Here's an in-depth summary of events. http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v16/v16n3p-4_weber.html

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