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I just watched yesterdays speech by Corbyn where he said that the system is rigged, everyone is against him etc and how that he will things around etc. This all sounded very familiar - Trump said the exact same thing, the system is rigged, the establishment dont want him to win , the press are against him blah blah blah.
Looks like Jezza is copying a 'winning' formula..... I guess his reckoning is that it worked for Trump so it may work for him - and it might do
I think Theresa May said something similar a few months or was it liberal elites ??
Either way I find if equally as cringe worthy on both their parts, they both earn far more then I could imagine and this corny ' we are anti establishment ' rhetoric leave me cold.
I like that line in Gladiator ' I don't pretend to be a man of the people but I d like to think I am a man for the people'
Pity they don't subscribe to this more.
I dont recall Theresa May saying the system is rigged - but I have seen Donald Trump and Jeremy Corbyn use that line.
This from the GUARDIAN was interesting..... https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ily-thornberry
Railing against the establishment is hardly copying Donald Trump, its a tactic that's been used for years by various politicians
And just to even up for in case accuse me of bias - it's pretty obvious what May's is - work on the fact that to win - Labour will need a coalition of the the SNP and Labour, and as such the SNP has a say in what happens in Downing St - a pretty horrible thought unless you are the SNP
"The system is rigged" says Labour, but nowhere near as often as I heard and read the term "coalition of chaos" yesterday - it's just what you hear during election campaigns, all I hope is that this one is not as endlessly dreary and miserable as the referendum run up was.
it seems that all Tory politicians and quite possibly the BBC have been briefed to utter the words 'chaos and confusion' every time they mention Jezza Corbyn ;)
That, and to display undisguised 'incredulity' whenever the notion of 'opposition' is mentioned.
I noticed that champion forelock-tugger Nick Servini apparently forgot that he was supposed to even appear in any way impartial on Wales Today last night.
Still, who needs opposition eh? ;) So 20th Century in concept ...
Don't like Corbyn? Hey, no problem, easy solution. Just wave though the Tories to do absolutely whatever the feck they like instead.
I know Vimana. On Newsnight the other night the first twenty minutes was spent conducting Tory politicians. Why not just make it a full blown Tory party political broadcast and dispense with all this impartiality nonsense.
A Professor Scully has a poll coming out on Monday which suggests Labour are set to lose at least ten seats to the Tories in Wales including Bridgend,Wrexham, Cardiff West and Cardiff South and Penarth.They are set to win the popular vote in Wales for the first time since 1922.
Dear God.That is as dire as it gets.
I dont buy the BBC corruption agenda at all. You should know that every MP will have been told to either say the the system is rigged or the chaos catchphrase.
On the whole the bbc are aware of the rhetoric that will be trotted out by either side - that's why I like watching Andrew Neil tear all sides apart on the Daily Politics show.
Having an effective opposition is the job of the 'opposition' it is no one else fault that Corbyn was elected.
Vim - If I can change what you said around a little "Just wave though Labour (rather than the Tories) to do absolutely whatever the feck they like instead."
That very sentence would some up Welsh politics since I can remember - which is at least 45 years ago - you cant have it both ways mate, can you ?
If they had not fecked around and voted in David Milliband - we wouldnt be having this conversation
I don't go with that Feedback. David Milliband would have been targetted by the press and the photos of eating bananas and other awkward photos would constantly have been in the papers.
He was also an arch Blairite and would have struggled to control the lrft wing within his own party.
Labour need to start afresh after the next election with a leader who commands respect from both sides of the party.
When it comes to a general election voters pick mainly on who is going to be the PM, that's why Michael Foot in a Donkey jacket would never win, or Kinnock putting on the fake American accent saying "Were alright" when they introduced as the next Prime Minister - a week before he lost.
Winning a UK election is all about about 100 or key marginals - who are in their very nature slightly swinging left and right. Corbyn is nowhere near the middle ground.
Don't get me wrong. I just want to see 'democracy', if 'democracy' is what we purport to hold dear.
And that kinda needs a valid, credible opposition.
I'm no Labourite ;) I voted Labour once - in '97.
I do think that Corbyn deserves to be taken a little more seriously.
Currently it seems to have become as taken as read that there is no opposition - or opposition is ridiculed - by the current Gov't (of course, we wouldn't really expect otherwise) but also by most of the Media.
A Gov't with effectively no opposition is a surely a dangerous beast.
The old adage applies re the opposition - if you cant do a wee - get off the potty and let someone else have a go.
I just read Corbyns 10 pledges document - he is some how managing to 'promise' Jam today and Jam tomorrow. Spend more on this - spend more on that, he doesnt realise that a very large majority of the tax in the UK is paid by the 50% bracket . I had to laugh when he says he wants full employment - we dont want full employment - that is not good at all - but that idiot doesnt realise that.
Hence new labour / old labour / current labour are repeating the same mistakes they always make (in my opinion)
I wonder if he would be better just making 1 Pledge - to hold another referendum if people vote for him - he would probably get more votes.
Seems very apt in the current political climate as far as Labour are concerned about being a credible opposition....
Dont blame him really - I would do the same - it worked for Trump
On The Last Leg Friday there was one mention of Tim Farron's voting record on LBGTQ+ rights, a number of jokes about "sin" and no mention on any other party leader's voting records.
This is on a fairly left leaning and progressive programme let alone one of the many, many outlets which has a centre-right bias. I saw a video on facebook earlier in the week about a Labour MP asking Adam Bolton why he wasn't pressing the Conservative MP further on a failed election pledge and just accepting that it hadn't happened; in the clip the Sky News presenter had no answer and looked slightly bemused to be drawn up on the idea that if this was a Labour MP the grilling would go on for a lot longer. Or you can look further to the unbiased BBC and the Cardiff Uni study that showed an over reliance on stats coming from the Conservative party....
There is a clear difference between Trump stating that the media are against him in his disgraceful campaign and Corbyn suggesting that the media are largely centre-right, that the biggest donors are largely centre-right and that a centre-left candidate is fighting an uphill battle before they start.
My first point on this matter is always the constituents like those in Sunderland where your individual vote matters so little that the campaign fades into the background and it's all about whether you be the first around the country to deliver the result. My second point is to draw attention to the article in the Daily Mail around 2015 where the young Tory states she won't bother voting as her area will never change from being Tory and so there is no need.
Brexit happened for many reasons but part of it was a feeling of being left behind and not represented by the political system as it is. If your vote simply doesn't matter then no wonder you feel left behind.
I doubt you'll bother to read it though (but it's worth 5 mnutes) - it details the unravelling of that policy.
Why do you doubt that I would "bother" to read it? You don't know me from Adam. Hollande didn't push on with his anti austerity programme and seems to have gone with austerity lite in the end. It looks like Macron will become the next President with an emphasis on public investment. Good for him.